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From: frank@zen.co.uk (Frank Wales)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards
Subject: Re: Dot files always first in directory?
Message-ID: <1581@zen.co.uk>
Date: 11 May 89 08:33:18 GMT
References: <11108@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU> <3540@udccvax1.acs.udel.EDU> <2778@buengc.BU.EDU> <2892@osiris.UUCP> <167@dg.dg.com>
Reply-To: frank@zen.co.uk (Frank Wales)
Organization: Zengrange Limited, Leeds, England
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In article <167@dg.dg.com> rec@dg.UUCP (Robert Cousins) writes:
>In article <2892@osiris.UUCP> consult@osiris.UUCP (Unix Consultation Mailbox (Phil)) writes:
>>That ain't no horse, it's a red herring.
>>
>>The order of files in a "directory listing" (using ls, which by default
>>sorts everything by ASCII collating sequence before writing it to stdout)
>>has nothing to do with the real order of the files in the directory.  
>
>Actually, when one types in "ls *", the shell places all of the filenames
>which match the "*" on the command line as a replacement.  It is the SHELL
>which sorts them in alphabetical order.

That's a herring of another colour.  Try:

	ls `ls|sort -r`

How the shell expands metacharacters is irrelevant to what ls does
with its arg list once it gets it, options excepted.
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Frank Wales, Systems Manager,        [frank@zen.co.uk<->mcvax!zen.co.uk!frank]
Zengrange Ltd., Greenfield Rd., Leeds, ENGLAND, LS9 8DB. (+44) 532 489048 x217