Newsgroups: ont.general Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!csri.toronto.edu!mart From: mart@csri.toronto.edu (Mart Molle) Subject: Re: Lawbreakers (was Radar Detectors (was Highway Driving Rules)) Message-ID: <8905172121.AA19911@genie.csri.toronto.edu> Summary: The anti-speed lobby needs to clearly state what they want to optimise Organization: University of Toronto, CSRI References: <9584@watcgl.waterloo.edu> <3217@looking.UUCP> <3225@looking.UUCP> <264@sickkids.UUCP> <1942@yunexus.UUCP> <89May17.145618edt.11073@ephemeral.ai.toronto.edu> Distribution: ont Date: Wed, 17 May 89 17:21:44 EDT The people who are against raising the speed limits back to their pre-OPEC oil crisis levels are really not being very fair to the rest of us, by making subjective arguments as to the METHOD that society is required to use in saving fuel and/or lives. Clearly saving fuel and lives is A Good Thing, and no-one is trying to argue the case that we should squander fuel and kill people. However, the issue that the anti-speed lobby chooses not to address is the following. Given that society decides to reduce the amount of fuel consumed by motor vehicles by some factor X, or to reduce the deaths attributable to motor vehicle accidents by Y, is it really the case that reducing the speed limits was/is the most effect way to do this? Advancing technology, changing consumer tastes, and government pressure tactics (c.f. the CAFE requirements in the U.S.) have saved a lot more fuel than just forcing everyone to drive their 5000 lb. 7 litre V8 powered gas guzzlers at lower speeds on the highway. So what's wrong with society choosing to save its fuel by driving quickly in aerodynamic 16 valve 4 cylinder Chevy/Honda/BMW/insert-your-favourite-modern-car-here, instead of continuing to drive slowly in big clumsy gas guzzlers? Similarly, one can save some lives and reduce injuries and property damage via inconveniencing society by enforcing slow[er] highway travel. However, for a *given* level of interference/inconvenience, could we not chose to impose it via strict enforcement of our seat belt laws, or drunk driving laws? ...Or by making it more difficult to get [and maintain] a license in the first place? It seems to me that "nailing speeders" is the easy way out, since it makes our elected representatives look good (i.e., they're clearly against waste and death, the money from fines is always welcome...) and it's technologically easy to catch the speeders without inconveniencing the non-speeders (i.e., you don't need random spot checks to stop people and make them submit to a lie detector test to see if they were speeding, the way you must stop random people and give them a breath test to catch drunk drivers -- too bad we can't just pass a law saying that all cars must be equipped with a flashing purple light on the roof, that can be easily spotted from an airplane, when operated by a drunk driver). It seems pretty clear that most "anti-speed" people are not uniformly anti-speed in the general case, or else we'd have cries of horror that commercial airplanes travel at almost *ten times* the speed limit on 401. But that's OK, because we have strict controls on pilot training, aircraft airworthiness, etc., right? So what's the problem with considering the idea of improving the corresponding "quality controls" on the highway so that for the same (or lower) loss rate we get to drive a little faster??? Mart L. Molle Computer Systems Research Institute University of Toronto (416)978-4928