Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!munnari!murtoa.cs.mu.oz.au!basser!pete From: pete@basser.oz (Peter Merel) Newsgroups: sci.bio Subject: Re: Fusion Powered Dragons Summary: TANSTAAFL Keywords: fusion Message-ID: <2069@basser.oz> Date: 11 May 89 07:13:00 GMT References: <2060@basser.oz> <1856@csadfa.oz> Organization: Dept of Comp Sci, Uni of Sydney, Australia Lines: 36 In article <1856@csadfa.oz> rim@csadfa.oz (Bob McKay) writes: >It [PFH fusion] would require two independent developments >.The ability to concentrate and deposit pure palladium >.The ability to concentrate deuterium >Neither of these is biologically impossible; but each is energetically >expensive, so would be strongly selected against. No. If these processes enable fusion, then they will produce more energy than they require. Remember, evolution is not hill-climbing - it doesn't get stuck on little hitches if it has a long enough period to operate over a large enough population. Jumping off cliffs is strongly selected against, but wings evolved anyway. Now if, as Jones asserts in his paper, cold fusion processes are commonly involved in energy production within the Earth, then evolution has had over four billion years to whip up some sort of fusion powered beasties. They might have begun as a kind of 'fusion parasite', just seeking out areas that are made warm by fusion processes. Evolution would then select for the parasites that did not destroy the 'host', or even better, prolonged and/or proliferated the 'host'. Fusion bees, I guess. Call them freebees. Eventually the freebees encapsulate fusion within themselves, and whacko the chook. But from this stage, I miss my guesses. If cold fusion is common, then there is no need for fusion based life to predate on anything, so I'm not sure what constitutes evolutionary pressure on the freebees. I can't see them interacting in a meaningful way with developing 'vanilla' life - I should think they'd be mutually poisonous. So maybe freebees exist, but remain in so primitive a form that we don't recognise them as such. Perhaps, for complex life to evolve, there can't be any such thing as a free lunch. But that wouldn't stop us re-engineering existing life forms to suit. Do we have the technology? -- That is beyond your compression - Galaxy Being, Outer Limits. pete@basser.oz.AU (pete%basser.oz.AU@UUNET.UU.NET) {uunet,mcvax,ukc,nttlab}!munnari!basser.oz!pete JANET: (POST) pete%au.oz.basser@EAN-RELAY (MAIL) EAN%"pete@au.oz.basser"