Path: utzoo!utgpu!watmath!clyde!att!cbnews!military From: esco@tank.uchicago.edu (ross paul weiner) Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: Re: Short range missiles in Europe Message-ID: <6679@cbnews.ATT.COM> Date: 18 May 89 01:36:50 GMT Sender: military@cbnews.ATT.COM Organization: University of Chicago Computation Center Lines: 37 Approved: military@att.att.com From: "ross paul weiner" In article <6599@cbnews.ATT.COM> you write: >From: gswan@watpix.waterloo.edu (Geo Swan) >I heard an interview with Gwynne Dwyer on the radio the other day. >He spoke about the recent controversy over short range missiles >in Europe. > >He said that the reason there was controversy was that the >_intermediate_ range missiles that the US agreed to remove had >a range of 450 miles, and the new _short_ range ones have a range of >400 miles. > >He said the new short range missiles were upgrades to replace whatever >short range missiles the US had there previously. > >Can anyone confirm or deny these numbers? DENIED, negatory no way jose, it's the BIG LIE. The INF treaty banned all ground launched weapons over 300 nm (nautical miles) in range but not of ICBM range. The U.S. Pershing IIs could almost reach Moscow from West Germany, that's what got the Russians to the negotiating table quick. The Ground Launch Cruise Missiles were even longer range. The short range missiles in Europe now for NATO are 88 Lance missiles with a range of about 66 miles. The plan is to replace them with weapons that would still have a range of less than the 300 nm limit set by the INF treaty. That way in the event of war the weapons would not have to impact on West German soil. It says something about the effectiveness of modern propaganda, a technological tool as much as anything discussed in this newsgroup (PSYOPS), that millions of Germans are demonstrating against an effort to replace very short range, old and rather more dangerous weapons with something better. -- Ross P. Weiner Dandy Dirks Discount Disclaimers esco@tank.uchicago.edu "You can't sue me, I'm broke!"