Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!att!cbnews!military From: tshaffer@ads.com (Tom Shaffer) Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: Re: Northrop F-20... Message-ID: <6707@cbnews.ATT.COM> Date: 19 May 89 01:41:24 GMT References: <6547@cbnews.ATT.COM> Sender: military@cbnews.ATT.COM Organization: Advanced Decision Systems, Mt. View, CA (415) 960-7300 Lines: 53 Approved: military@att.att.com From: tshaffer@ads.com (Tom Shaffer) I worked on the F-20 in the Avionic Integration Laboratory (1983 - 86). It was an incredible plane. The interesting part was that it was completely funded by the Northrop Corp. (no gov't $$$s). They spent close to a billion dollars of their own money developing and building it. If my memory serves me right, the program was started at the request of the gov't (then President Carter). Its primary/first customer was supposed to be Taiwan. Due to a new treaty with China, during the Reagan era, the U.S. promised not to sell arms to Taiwan - the F-20's #1 customer just got axed. The Air Force didn't want it because they had the F-16 and General Dynamics was lobbying like crazy to keep the F-20 out of their market. When it came to foreign sales, the US had started exporting the F-15, and though the F-20 was a great plane, who wants an F-20 when they can get a F-15? For the countries that could not get the F-15, they were skeptical about buying a plane that wasn't in the US inventory. At the same time, General Dynamics slashed the price for the F-16 by ~30%. This caused a uproar in Congress about being overcharged for all the planes aready purchased, but the uproar died down and nothing came of it - GD later raised the price back up. During this period, the pressure was very intense on the Air Force to buy the F-20. They decided to have a fly-off between the F-20 and the F-16 to settle the matter once and for all. The Air Force (i.e. General Dynamics) was sure the F-16 was a better plane. Well, the Air Force conducted their fly-off, and guess what they did- you guessed it, they decided to make the results classified! I don't recall for sure, but I believe no official results were ever released. I think the failure to sell the F-20 was a very sad point in the history of defense procurement. No company in history went so far out on a limb ($1 billion), investing its own money to build a DOD product. It would have been nice to see a new trend start, where companies invested some of their own money in starting up and developing products. You can bet no company will ever make the same mistake Northrop made. Lesson- only spend the gov'ts money, don't ever risk any of your own. On the positive side, I think the work done on the F-20 put the company in a good position to win other contracts. I could go on for days about all the "crap" that went down, but ... As another interesting side issue, does anyone have the full story on the demise of the flying wing (XB-35 or YB49) in the 50s? As I recall, it was another unfortunate altercation between Northrop and General Dynamics where Northrop lost - again. -- Tom Shaffer --