Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!columbia!cs!mkamer From: mkamer@cs.columbia.edu (Matthew Kamerman) Newsgroups: comp.ai Subject: Re: random vs. ran(seed) (RE: choice, will, etc. etc.) Message-ID: <228@cs.columbia.edu> Date: 31 May 89 23:11:02 GMT References: <1862@hub.ucsb.edu> Reply-To: mkamer@cs.columbia.edu (Matthew Kamerman) Followup-To: comp.ai Organization: Columbia University Department of Computer Science Lines: 25 I have been following the discussion of free will vs. determinism, randomness vs. hidden order, etc., with some interest and I have a question for those involved. Might these distinctions be a matter of degree rather than kind? For instance, might free will be those actions for which the simplest predictive model CAPABLE OF BEING RUN TO COMPLETION IN A TIME PROPORTIONATE TO THE SCALE OF ACTIVITY (busy beavers aren't acceptable models for real phenomena!), requires an amount of information of near the same magnitude as that contained in the system itself? Might a pseudo-random sequence effectively achieve true randomality if in addition to meeting all standard distribution criteria, its period of repetition is beyond the capacity of the fastest available computing device running for a period comparable to the age of the universe? We exist in a finite domain which constrains both the rate at which information propagates (relativity) and the accuracy with which any object can be modeled (quantum mechanics). In such a domain, there are practical limits on computability far more severe than those usually stipulated by Complexity Theorists. The practical limitations of physical systems may be sufficient to transform distinctions of degree into usefully symbolizeable distinctions of kind.