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From: aglew@mcdurb.Urbana.Gould.COM
Newsgroups: comp.arch
Subject: Re: Criteria ... [really: are N des
Message-ID: <28200319@mcdurb>
Date: 20 May 89 19:46:00 GMT
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Nf-From: mcdurb.Urbana.Gould.COM!aglew    May 20 14:46:00 1989


>/* Written  8:12 pm  May 19, 1989 by khb%chiba@Sun.COM in mcdurb:comp.arch */
>In article <28200317@mcdurb> dfields@mcdurb.Urbana.Gould.COM writes:
>>
>
>>If a  third party can't figure out how to make a simple benchmark
>>run fast on your system, how do you expect your customers to be able
>>port an aplication which takes advantage of your high performance system?
>>
>
>a) Who said anything about simple ?
>b) Those really interested in max performance are typically
>   willing to go to some efforts. Consider your (albeit few) NP1/2
>   users; all of Cray's; many of MIPS's  etc.
>
>Complex systems (which includes many RISC set ups) require some
>complex usage.

(1) First off, to set things straight: Dave Fields, myself (Andy 'Krazy' Glew)
    and a few others that you see on the net are now happy to be MOTOROLA
    Microcomputer Division employees.  Gould sold the Urbana Development
    Center [*] to Motorola just before Nippon Mining bought Gould, just
    before Nippon Mining sold Gould CSD to Encore, etc.
	Our mail paths will appear as ...Gould.COM for a while, until 
    the various bureaucracies that control ARPAnet naming can digest us.
    But, already, if your mailer supports MX records, you can address us
    as *@urbana.mcd.mot.com.

(2) Fewer people than you think are interested in intensive performance
    tuning.  That was one of the things I learned at Gould, Cray is going
    to learn from the Japanese supercomputer manufacturers, and something
    that MIPS has already learned.   Being willing to tune is one thing;
    having to tune is another.

BTW, Keith, I'll be in your area next week. Got any glaciers to climb?


Andy "Krazy" Glew   aglew@urbana.mcd.mot.com   uunet!uiucdcs!mcdurb!aglew
   Motorola Microcomputer Division, Champaign-Urbana Design Center
	   1101 E. University, Urbana, Illinois 61801, USA.
   
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