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From: ron@motmpl.UUCP (Ron Widell)
Newsgroups: comp.arch
Subject: Re: ESD protection (was Re: Do you have bandwidth?)
Summary: Don't forget inductance
Keywords: protection static ESD
Message-ID: <1234@motmpl.UUCP>
Date: 24 May 89 04:42:54 GMT
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In article <6951@cbmvax.UUCP> jesup@cbmvax.UUCP (Randell Jesup) writes:
>In article <1450@brwa.inmos.co.uk> davidb@inmos.co.uk (David Boreham) writes:
>>Several posters have refered to removing ESD protection on chip
>>pads, and alluded to consequent speed advantages. Mabe I'm missing
>>something but as far as I know the reason why off-chip signals are
>>slower than on-chip ones is a combination of the following:
>>
>>1) Much larger capacitance (25pf minimum or 50--100 pf for busses).
>
>	Actually, I believe ESD is the prime reason for (1) above, so it
>is the biggest target (for very high speed designs).
>
>	Of course, I'm just a software guy, what do I know?  ;-)
>
>-- 
>Randell Jesup, Commodore Engineering {uunet|rutgers|allegra}!cbmvax!jesup

Both of you are right (and wrong :-)). The ESD protection diodes are a
significant source of the capacitive load which the inputs present to a
transmission line; but, since we do have to think of transmission lines
(and it seems like few designers/engineers using MOS or TTL circuits *do*
think that way) we must also consider the capacitive load which the outputs
must drive. On a poorly-designed circuit board (or whatever) this can
represent significantly more capacitance than the fan-out count of all
of the inputs would indicate.  This necessitates some rather large buffers
on the outputs, which means greater power dissipation; and MOS, in
particular, tends to slow down as it heats up. There's still no free lunch.

Interestingly, to me at least, we find that the biggest problem with the
*really* high speed circuits (500MHz to 1.2GHz ECL) is that the lead
inductance of the high-pin-count packages is the real killer. At first
blush, TAB seems the way to go.

Regards,

-- 
Ron Widell, Field Applications Eng.	|UUCP: {...}mcdchg!motmpl!ron
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