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From: chrisp@regenmeister.uucp (Chris Prael)
Newsgroups: comp.software-eng
Subject: Re: Engineers are just as much in the dark as programmers.
Message-ID: <33822@regenmeister.uucp>
Date: 31 May 89 18:22:55 GMT
References: <25047@agate.BERKELEY.EDU>
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From article <25047@agate.BERKELEY.EDU>, by bks@ALFA.berkeley.edu (Brad Sherman):
> In article <33816@regenmeister.uucp> chrisp@regenmeister.uucp (Chris Prael) writes:
>>From article <24857@agate.BERKELEY.EDU>, by bks@ALFA.berkeley.edu (Brad Sherman):
>>> I know what a programmer is.  I almost understand what software-engineering
>>> is.
>>Until you know what software-engineering is, you will not know
>>what (or who) a competent programmer is.
> 
> Was that necessary?  I'm a member of ACM, IEEE Computer Society and
> I read IEEE Transactions on Software Engineering.  

I don't know what, or that, membership in ACM or IEEE could have to do
with the issue.  The question is one of performing in a disciplined and
open manner more than anything else.

>                                                    I have completed
> projects on time, to spec and under budget.  

Sounds to me as though you have the basic idea.  I would have been more
pleased to see the first two items in the reverse order.  Now, do you 
perform this normally, as a matter of course, or in exceptional
circumstances.  If the latter, you know how to be an engineer.  If the
former, you are an engineer.

Chris Prael;