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From: tim@hoptoad.uucp (Tim Maroney)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.protocols.appletalk
Subject: Re: Finally, Peer-to-Peer non-dedicated AppleShare, this month!!!
Message-ID: <7374@hoptoad.uucp>
Date: 20 May 89 02:13:36 GMT
References: <1968@ccnysci.UUCP> <1980@ccnysci.UUCP> <7319@hoptoad.uucp> <2360@molokai.sw.mcc.com>
Reply-To: tim@hoptoad.UUCP (Tim Maroney)
Organization: Eclectic Software, San Francisco
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In article <2360@molokai.sw.mcc.com> werner@molokai.sw.mcc.com (Werner Uhrig)
writes:
>In article <7319@hoptoad.uucp>, tim@hoptoad.uucp (Tim Maroney) writes:
>> In article <1980@ccnysci.UUCP> alexis@ccnysci.UUCP (Alexis Rosen) writes:
>> >Mention that you saw my posting on the net- It won't get you a deal, but
>> >the more respect companies have for the net as an influence on their sales,
>> >the better it is for all of us...
>> 
>> Wrong as usual, Alexis.  Those of us who share negative information in
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>	RUDE

Let's talk rudeness.  Alexis came out saying that after "extensive
discussions with technical personnel at TOPS", he knew that TOPS did
not do any kind of range locking whatsoever.  I pointed out that this
was false; TOPS has in fact had range locking in accord with the
specification in Inside Mac volume IV since before Inside Mac volume IV
was even published.

This was not followed by any correction or retraction from Alexis;
instead, he simply said in his next message that it had "major bugs
which made it practically useless" for any database application.
(These are not exact quotes, since the messages have expired, but
anyone who still has them can verify that I have not changed his
meaning.)  At the time he sent this, I had already pointed out to
someone else that these alleged bugs were in fact correct
implementations of the advisory range locking described in Inside Mac
volume IV.

Again, no correction or retraction from Alexis, and this rudeness was
compounded by a statement of intent to violate journalistic ethics by
publishing this false information in MacWeek.

Damn straight I'm annoyed, and I have a perfect right to be.

>> our possession are more than accustomed to overly sensitive companies
>> threatening us with legal action and economic sanctions.  As far as I'm
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>		ALARMIST

Are you accusing me of lying?  I assure you that these threats are
real.  I would love to describe the most recent round in detail; long
time netters are probably surprised that I haven't, after the UNC
affair.  If the threats were merely against me, I would in fact
describe them, but they are against my current client as well.  I do
not feel that I have the right to make this moral decision for him, as
it could cost him a great deal of money if these threats are
fulfilled.  Threatening one's friends is a particularly scummy tactic,
but in this case, it is an effective one.

I am not familiar with the details of the Joel West case, but I have
little difficulty believing that, as described by Donald Eastlake, it
was in fact caused by legal threats resulting from a critical message
he posted.  I nearly lost my job at TOPS after I posted a message
putting the output of MPW C next to that of Consulair C and showing
that the former was much better than the latter, and this permanently
harmed my relationship with management.  All because the president of
Consulair complained to the president of TOPS; the merits of the case
didn't enter into it at all.

I don't know what ivory tower you live in, Werner, but out here in the
real world, this kind of stuff is common.

>> Increased marketing awareness of the networks can only lead to
>						^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>						   WRONG
>> increased pressure to suppress critical messages.
>
>	where is your data to proof these allegations, Tim?

I see, you are accusing me of lying after all.  I will refrain from the
appropriate epithets.

>				---Werner	(fed up with articles without
>						  meaningful contents!)

Then why did you send this?
-- 
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