Path: utzoo!censor!becker!geac!yunexus!maccs!lsuc!attcan!utgpu!utstat!geoff From: geoff@utstat.uucp (Geoff Collyer) Newsgroups: tor.news Subject: Re: Mangled headers.... Message-ID: <[SRI-KL]1-Dec-8216:10:59.BILLW> Date: 19 May 89 06:18:07 GMT Organization: Statistics, U. of Toronto Lines: 25 Status: R To: the person to whom this letter is addressed Illegal-Article: an Position: Clerk Shoe-Size: 11D Apparently-From: Geoff 'Cedarwood Cabinet' Collyer, Esquire, and Sons Illegal-Objet-d-art: the CN tower Illegal-Subject: housebreaking Sccs-Id: 4.2 81/02/19 Cc: attunix!sfbc!attunix!cath attunix!sfbc!attunix!tonyb attunix!sfbc!attunix!wto attunix!sfbc!cw attunix!sfbc!djk attunix!sfbc!jlw attunix!sfbc!jqa attunix!sfbc!martha attunix!sfbc!research!bwk attunix!sfbc!research!dmr attunix!sfbc!research!pjw attunix!sfbc!sas attunix!sfbc!sfyog!hlc attunix!sfbc!sfyog!sgc attunix!sfbc!sjp attunix!sfbc!ulysses!jes Weather: Clear and cold Salary: Small Comment: What follows should be considered a first draft towards finding a series of steps we can get a consensus to agree upon and implement towards clearing up some of the problems that we are seeing. Forecast: Tomorrow, tsunami warning in Arizona Terminal: att630 Newsbreak: RISKS-LIST: RISKS-FORUM Digest Friday 12 May 1989 Volume 8 : Issue 70 Authentic-Sender: utstat!magi Via: alice!npoiv!harpo!decvax!decwrl!sun!megatest!fortune!dsd!atd!avsdS His-Drink: Canadian Club utstat is now nuking all lines of Illegal-Object: headers. Illegal-Object: is indeed mentioned, along with Illegal-Field:, on page 10 of RFC 886 (Proposed Standard for Message Header Munging), which starts off by saying ``This memo proposes a standard for the ARPA Internet community.''. Now that the ARPAnet is a trivial network and NSFnet is the ``Internet'', it is not obvious that this memo carries any force today, if it ever did (I'm afraid I don't have the energy to devote to keeping up with the RFC du jour and the latest fashions in mailer science). Whether or not the defunct ARPAnet ever endorsed RFC 886, to the best of my knowledge no other mail system conforms to RFC 886, nor should any. Just as mail systems regularly violate RFCs 821 & 822 to get the mail through, RFC 886 should be ignored. Header munging is a mortal sin unless performed at the point of origin or at a translating gateway between dissimilar networks (e.g. RFC 821/2 to X.400). (Header deleting is only a venial sin, since it wouldn't be necessary if other software refrained from excreting such wretched headers.) In any case, RFC 886 applies only to mail (``This memo describes the rules that are to be used when mail is transformed from one standard format to another.''); Illegal-Objects: should not litter our netnews. -- Geoff Collyer utzoo!utstat!geoff, geoff@utstat.toronto.edu It's all Henry's fault. (TM)