Path: utzoo!utgpu!utstat!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!mitel!sce!cognos!dgbt!gandalf!ml From: ml@gandalf.UUCP (Marcus Leech) Newsgroups: comp.unix.wizards Subject: Re: New (GNU) kernels--what I think Message-ID: <2510@gandalf.UUCP> Date: 2 Jun 89 22:26:42 GMT References: <2501@gandalf.UUCP> <13488@swan.ulowell.edu> <32063@bu-cs.BU.EDU> Organization: Gandalf Data Ltd, Product Development Lines: 22 In article <32063@bu-cs.BU.EDU>, bzs@bu-cs.BU.EDU (Barry Shein) writes: > > The problem with VMS's privilege bits is that it's just a grab-bag of > privileges roughly modeled on the system resource categories, but not > what you might do with access to them. It seems to have basically > accreted over time with only a little thought to how they might be > used. The result is that the privilege required to do something > reasonable (like create a global mailbox for IPC programming) often > gives you the ability to do something non-obvious and damaging. Agreed. VMS has been accreted way-too-many bits over time, I had to laugh when we got VMS4.x, and then VMS5.x--more privilege bits than anyone can make any reasonable use of. Let's face it, SYSPRV gets you just about anything you want (use it to modify your AUTHORIZED privs, and away you go...). I agree that perhaps a fundamentally new model for rights/privilege is required. Neither the UNIX model, nor the VMS model seem to be "right". I'm not sure that a "mind-meld" of the two models is right either. -- "Better Living through modern chemistry" PaperMail: 130 Colonnade Rd, Nepean,ON Marcus Leech E-mail: ml@gandalf.UUCP Gandalf Data Ltd PacketRadio: VE3MDL@VE3JF "The opinions expressed herein are solely my own" So there