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From: bywater!archet!wlm@uunet.UU.NET (William L. Moran Jr.)
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Subject: Re: dogfighting
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Date: 7 Jun 89 03:36:32 GMT
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From: bywater!archet!wlm@uunet.UU.NET (William L. Moran Jr.)

...
>...  Erich Hartmann avoided them at all costs --
>and it's hard to argue with the top-scoring ace of all time, 352 confirmed
>kills (WW2 Eastern front), never even scratched, never lost a wingman.
>(Hartmann also had a lot to say about the dangers of getting greedy:  better
>to be patient and look for an easy victim than to charge right in at every
>opportunity.)

I recall reading that Hartman told the Soviets that although he had
shot down 352 planes (almost all Soviet), someone on the western front
(Hans Marseille unless I'm mistaken) had shot down 158 British planes,
and since one plane flown by the British was worth three flown by
Russians, he wasn't the leader :)  I can guess how the Soviets must
have reacted to this. Anyway, I think the point about dogfights is
well made.

				Bill Moran

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