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From: charleen@ads.COM (Charleen Bunjiovianna)
Newsgroups: soc.feminism
Subject: Re: Definition of feminism, can a man be a feminist?
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Date: 7 Jun 89 01:24:02 GMT
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In article <16890@paris.ics.uci.edu> druid@robotics.jpl.nasa.GOV (Andrew Kerne) writes:
>
>I was hoping to hear some women talk about this.
>I don't think that men are in general have the right to say what is
>feminist -- it is something essentially defined by women.
>
>So men, please, please, sit with your egos quietly for a little while,
>at least until some women have spoken about this.  Otherwise, the
>connection between soc.feminism and feminism will be approaching
>non-existent. 

Mr. Kerne, I cannot think of a gentle way to say this, so I will be blunt:
You are out of line.

The newgroup proposal and subsequent discussion clearly stated that both
men and women are welcome to post to soc.feminism; further, that it is
acceptable to question feminism as a belief system (whereas in a group
such as soc.motss, it is *not* acceptable to question homosexuality).

Now you come along and suggest that not only do men not have the right
to discuss feminism here, but that they should shut up so that women can be
heard.  If women are not being heard, it is because women are not posting,
not because men can't "sit quietly with their egos for a little while."

I am frankly surprised that Mr. Kerne's article was approved for posting;
it's quite irrelevant in view of the soc.feminism charter.  And not, Mr.
Kerne, because you are a man.

[True.  Apologies.  I read this to encourage more women to post (which
I do encourage; I'd like to see a more even balance), and did not see
the second paragraph.  Too many decongestants.  Unfortunately, I can't
cancel the article (s/w won't let me).  --Cindy]

Charleen Bunjiovianna


"Carpe diem...even if it kills me."   -- _Dead Poets Society_