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Subject: umm...silly question, but...
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Date: 4 Jun 89 18:54:06 GMT
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[Ordinarily, I wouldn't post these type of meta questions (I would
usually answer them directly), and ordinarily I would just pass along
articles without comment.  But since we've just started up, I'll make
an exception here and comment at the end on the reasons why we aren't
going into other types of discrimination.]

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  Hi Folks!!
   umm, silly question, but exactly what did you mean when you
mentioned "discrimination against men" and the amounts that would
be tolerable? I'm relatively naive, and usually just scroll thru all
the flaming bullshit that seems to crop up now and again between certain
male chauvanist pigs and their just as corney female counterparts.
   Seems to me, since this is pretty much a public access forum, that
discrimination against anyone of any race, color, creed, or sex would
be rather rude, if not illegal. Anyone propagating such discrimination
ought to stop and think about what they are doing for a moment before
continuing. There are always at least two views to a situation.
Discrimination against an "opposing" viewpoint is a simple fear response
which must be overcome. If all you want is a "private club" type forum
which you can escape to when you wanna talk about "those awful ________"
(fill in blank), then I truly feel sorry for you and hope you grow
out of that clic mentality which is so constraining. If on the other hand,
you wish to learn and enjoy life to its fullest, please proceed.


hopefully yours,
Pat

Pat Ortman

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[We've repeatedly stated that this will be a forum for the discussion
of feminism, pro's and con's.  Both viewpoints will be welcomed here.

We wish to concentrate on the problems of discrimination against
women, and do not want the discussion to become solely a litany of
"all the discrimination that happens against men, women aren't the
only ones with problems."  We recognize that men also get stereotyped
and that they can face discrimination, but we consider this a separate
topic, not to be addressed in this forum. Discrimination against men
may very well come up in relation to feminism (an example might be the
charge that feminism discriminates against men), but we do not want to
focus on men's problems separately.

Note that this does not mean we condone such discrimination.

The topic of discussion here is feminism, not anti-discrimination in
general.  We do not condone any kind of discrimination on the basis of
race, color, creed, sex, or sexual orientation; but these more general
topics won't come up here, except as related to feminism.

--Cindy]