Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!philmtl!philabs!linus!mbunix!bwk From: bwk@mbunix.mitre.org (Kort) Newsgroups: comp.ai Subject: Re: Can humans "understand" mathematics? Summary: Understanding Mathematics as a Metaphor for the Chinese Room Keywords: Chinese Room, Formal Symbol Manipulation, Physical Causation Message-ID: <83168@linus.UUCP> Date: 14 Dec 89 02:04:05 GMT References: <3120@uceng.UC.EDU> <14698@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> Sender: news@linus.UUCP Reply-To: bwk@mbunix.mitre.org (Barry Kort) Organization: The MITRE Corp. Bedford, MA Lines: 22 In article <14698@eerie.acsu.Buffalo.EDU> rapaport@gort.cs.Buffalo.EDU.UUCP (William J. Rapaport) reacts to Dan Mocsny's objection to Searle's assertion that symbol manipulation cannot engender understanding: > Precisely this analogy is discussed in: > Rapaport, William J. (1986), ``Searle's Experiments with Thought,'' > Philosophy of Science 53: 271-279 > and in > Rapaport, William J. (1988), ``Syntactic Semantics: Foundations > of Computational Natural-Language Understanding,'' in J. H. Fetzer (ed.) > Aspects of Artificial Intelligence (Dordrecht, Holland: Kluwer Academic > Publishers): 81-131 Bill, could you favor us lazy net.readers with a synopsis? Did you come to the same conclusion as Dan? I for one, am persuaded that one can detect the isomorphism between a formal symbol system and real-world experience. I do it whenever I adopt an apt metaphor. --Barry Kort