Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!clyde.concordia.ca!uunet!aplcen!samsung!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!wuche2!joshi From: joshi@wuche2.wustl.edu (Amol Joshi) Newsgroups: comp.ai.neural-nets Subject: Re: back-prop NNs and `SAS' regression! Message-ID: <1989Dec19.172314.16051@wuche2.wustl.edu> Date: 19 Dec 89 17:23:14 GMT References: <220700005@uxe.cso.uiuc.edu> <1989Dec18.210859.23621@wuche2.wustl.edu> <21539@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> Reply-To: joshi@wuche2.UUCP (Amol Joshi) Organization: Washington University in St. Louis Lines: 27 In article <21539@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> fishwick@fish.cis.ufl.edu (Paul Fishwick) writes: >You say that in regression that the "structure of the model be prefixed" >however I will debate this assumption -- the structure of a set of >equations is no more prefixed than a neural network model. A neural >network is a set of equations shown in a graphical syntactic form. >It is just as easy to add and delete terms/equations as it is to add/delete >nodes, etc. The equational equivalent of removing a link is to make >zero a parameter. by "structure" of a nonlinear model i mean also the nature of the non-linearities. when doing non-linear least sqaure fit,e.g., i have to specify what exactly these terms look like (exponential, hyperbolic etc..). so, i would use regression for finding out "best" parameters for an existing analytical model. the BP-nn equivalent of the complexity of the model is, i think, the parameters like the number of layers, number of nodes in each layer - and yes, you need to fiddle with those. the advantage with regression is that, if it works, it provides insight to the physical system. BP-nn is more like a black-box and extracting knowledge like the exponential dependencies etc is impossible from the information about weights alone. am i missing something? :amol -- ------------------------------------------------------ Amol Joshi Department of Chemical Engineering