Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!shadooby!samsung!think!ames!pasteur!ucbvax!penndrls.upenn.edu!GTHEALL From: GTHEALL@penndrls.upenn.edu (George A. Theall) Newsgroups: comp.sys.dec.micro Subject: Rainbow EchoMail Digest Message-ID: <8912150216.AA23469@remote.dccs.upenn.edu> Date: 15 Dec 89 02:13:00 GMT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The Internet Lines: 386 Rainbow EchoMail Digest Dec 14, 1989 In this issue: CHESS RE: CHIPS - AGAIN FIDO-FAM RE: RAINBOW FTP SITES (2 messages) PRIVATE MAIL TO FIDONET (2 messages) JOBSDUMP (2 messages) RE: JOBSDUMP RE: BTW RE: DECREPIT FINGERTIPS Articles posted to either INFO-DEC-MICRO or comp.sys.dec.micro are currently gatewayed automatically to the Rainbow Echo on Fidonet; thus, you do not need to take any special action to respond to articles in these digests. Please send reports of problems or suggestions for improvement of this digest to GTHEALL@PENNDRLS.UPENN.EDU (ARPA Internet). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: 12-12-89 (13:42) To: DAVID STRICKLER Subject: CHESS From: RICK MELLON David, one MS-DOS chess game does spring to mind -- Chess Ingenuity. I see it's being sold through IRUG (618-632-1153) for $27 (members) and $35 (non-members). I haven't played it; just thought it might be the game you were trying to recall. --- * Origin: The Rising MoonStar (Opus 1:142/723) ------------------------------ Date: 12-09-89 (20:52) To: FRANK MALLORY Subject: RE: CHIPS - AGAIN From: VAN VANHORN Frank, Quoting from the invoice itself, being unable to envision a higher authority than a DEC invoice, here 'tis: 19-15123-03 Receiver, Line 26LS323 Sales code 277SY Unit price $6.00, total with FEDEX and tax for my location for 6 chips was $44.81. Now I just have to get them out to the guy that does my repair work so he can socket the motherboard for me at that location. +vanhorn+ --- * Origin: Horsefeathers + Burn a flag for freedom! + (Opus 1:343/30) ------------------------------ Date: 12-12-89 To: BILL HLIWA Subject: FIDO-FAM From: FRANK MALLORY BH> Has anyone here used Fido-Fam successfully on the Rainbow, past version BH> 3.00? V3.00 works great (locally/remotely) but version 5.03 just BH> hangs. You might want to consider switching to Opus-FAM. The latest version works fine on the Rainbow, using the video FOSSIL. --- msged 1.99L MSC * Origin: Silver Bullet - Silver Spring, Maryland - 301-622-2247 (1:109/123) ------------------------------ Date: 12-12-89 To: GEORGE THEALL Subject: RE: RAINBOW FTP SITES From: FRANK MALLORY GT> From: perry@mcl.unisys.com (Dennis Perry) GT> GT> There are files available for FTPing from CMU GT> (info-dec-micro@andrew.cmu.edu). Hi, Dennis, Now that we have some useful gateways set up between Usenet and Fidonet, do you know if anyone has figured out how to use it to transmit files as well as messages? frank.mallory@blkcat.fidonet.org --- msged 1.99L MSC * Origin: Silver Bullet - Silver Spring, Maryland - 301-622-2247 (1:109/123) ------------------------------ Date: 12-12-89 To: GEORGE THEALL Subject: PRIVATE MAIL TO FIDONET From: FRANK MALLORY GT> What you'll need is the address of the person on FidoNet, which GT> can be found by examining the origin line of one of that person's GT> messages as it appears in a Rainbow EchoMail Digest. For instance, GT> David Strickler moderates the Rainbow Echo on FidoNet. His origin GT> line lists an address of (1:101/45). To send him a private message GT> from BITNET/Internet/UUCP you would use the address: GT> GT> David.Strickler@f45.n101.z1.fidonet.org Are you sure that works universally, George? That implies that there is a gateway node in Fidonet who has volunteered to forward messages to any BBS, no matter where it is situated. GT> NB: I have learned about this only yesterday. I sent off one GT> message as a test and have received neither a bounce nor a reply. We have exchanged several messages during the time it took for your echomail message to reach this board. GT> I wonder whether that's a good sign??? Lastly, I have *no* idea GT> how users on FidoNet can reply privately - that'll be up to GT> them to figure out. (You could always pass along your phone number GT> and tell the person on FidoNet to give you a call.) Fido users have to send their messages to the hub or gateway that is furnishing the interface to UUCP, using standard netmail procedures. The addressee is shown as "uucp", and the first line of the message must have the form: To: @ The second line of the message must be blank, and the rest of the message follows. More details will be given here, as we figure them out. --- msged 1.99L MSC * Origin: Silver Bullet - Silver Spring, Maryland - 301-622-2247 (1:109/123) ------------------------------ Date: 12-12-89 To: CARL HOUSEMAN Subject: JOBSDUMP From: FRANK MALLORY I tried JOBSDUMP v4.1 but found it leaves horizontal stripes in the image (Wombat) on my LA50. Also, I found that JOBSDUMP wouldn't run in graphics mode; there is also some interference with either or both RB-BUFFR and HISTORY TSRs. Any ideas? --- msged 1.99L MSC * Origin: Silver Bullet - Silver Spring, Maryland - 301-622-2247 (1:109/123) ------------------------------ Date: 12-12-89 (23:45) To: FRANK MALLORY Subject: RE: JOBSDUMP From: CARL HOUSEMAN re: "stripes", interference with HISTORY or RB-BUFFR By "stripes" do you mean small white lines between horizontal dot rows due to imperfect paper motion, or actually skipped whole-dot-rows? I don't have an LA50 anymore, but it prints out fine on my LA210-emulating printer. If you're missing whole dot rows, does your normal printing look OK? As for interference with TSRs, I find it hard to believe that JOBSDUMP would care about either one of them. However, I don't run HISTORY and don't have any problems, either. Obviously you have to get out of what you're in to run JOBSDUMP, but it can give you a preview, and you can kill it if you don't like it. Actually I thought some of the other suggestions you received for printing out of Rainbow Regis made more sense for your needs. Speaking which of, Rainbow REGIS won't run with RB-BUFFR installed, so how do you think that RB-BUFFR is interfering with JOBSDUMP? --- * Origin: Silver Bullet - Silver Spring, Maryland - 301-622-2247 (Opus 1:109/123 ------------------------------ Date: 12-12-89 (23:58) To: FRANK MALLORY Subject: RE: BTW From: CARL HOUSEMAN I agree that telling someone to RTFM and nothing else may be rude, but the reality exists that some post questions to Usenet (I was referring to comp.os.vms) and Fidonet without attempting any research into their own (no-cost) sources. For those who don't have the FMs, it's understandable. Also, I get a chuckle every time I read something like "I tried ..... and it didn't work, so I RTFM and I still can't figure it out". --- * Origin: Silver Bullet - Silver Spring, Maryland - 301-622-2247 (Opus 1:109/123 ------------------------------ Date: 12-13-89 (00:19) To: MARK BORNSTEIN Subject: RE: DECREPIT FINGERTIPS From: CARL HOUSEMAN Mark, as a former customer of yours, you know that I have no personal grievance with you - in fact I was very pleased with the service I got while you were in charge of the business. I stayed out of this fray until now, when I just couldn't stand it any more. You seem to think that some replies are personal vendettas or merely undeserved. Even if that's so, the rest of us are just tired of the personal flames, period. We don't care who started it, nor who has the last word, we just want it to STOP! Please help that process along by letting this and other rebuttals-to-come go without a response. Many thanks in advance... --- * Origin: Silver Bullet - Silver Spring, Maryland - 301-622-2247 (Opus 1:109/123 ------------------------------ Date: 12-14-89 (20:59) To: FRANK MALLORY Subject: JOBSDUMP From: GEORGE THEALL FM>I tried JOBSDUMP v4.1 but found it leaves horizontal stripes in the image FM>(Wombat) on my LA50. FM> FM>Also, I found that JOBSDUMP wouldn't run in graphics mode; there is also FM>some interference with either or both RB-BUFFR and HISTORY TSRs. Any ideas The author of JOBSDUMP reads the posts to INFO-DEC-MICRO. I'm sure we'll hear from him in a couple of days. George --- ~ EZ 1.23b4 #263 ~ Share the road with a bicyclist ------------------------------ Date: 12-14-89 (20:59) To: FRANK MALLORY Subject: RE: RAINBOW FTP SITES From: GEORGE THEALL FM>GT> From: perry@mcl.unisys.com (Dennis Perry) FM>GT> There are files available for FTPing from CMU FM>GT> (info-dec-micro@andrew.cmu.edu). ... FM>Now that we have some useful gateways set up between Usenet and Fidonet, FM>do you know if anyone has figured out how to use it to transmit files as we FM>as messages? FTP is the TCP/IP File Transfer Protocol. It's basically self-service file transfer between computers over high-speed data lines and is closely associated with a network known as the Internet. If you don't have access to a machine on the Internet, you can't use FTP. However, Rob Locke does provide a similar service for those poor souls without FTP access. Quoting from the file AAREADME.1ST from the INFO-DEC-MICRO file archives: ----- snip, snip, snip ----- AAREADME.1ST 05/22/89 Welcome to the Info-DEC-Micro File Archives. The files contained here may be retreived through anonymous ftp or through requests to have them mailed (for those of you without Internet/Arpanet access). A list of the available files is in AAAFILES.TXT. [ section about anonymous FTP deleted, GAT ] File Request via Mail Messages ------------------------------ For those people who do not have Arpanet/Internet access, and, consequently, cannot use ftp, there is an alternate, albeit slower, method for obtaining the files. It is via mail. To send a request for a particular file or for a list of the available files, send a message to the appropriate following address: from Arpanet: Info-DEC-Micro-Files@andrew.cmu.edu from Bitnet : Info-DEC-Micro-Files@ANDREW or Info-DEC-Micro-Files%andrew.cmu.edu@CMCCVB from UUCP : {favorite gateway}!andrew.cmu.edu!info-dec-micro-files In the message, if you ask to see a list of the files available, you receive a mail message with the file AAAFILES.TXT included in the text of the message. If you ask for a specific binary file, you will receive multiple messages which are pieces of the file uuencoded. To work with these files that you receive, you will need the following tools: 1) An editor to remove the mail's headers and footers. 2) A file transfer package to get the file(s) to your PC. 3) UUDECODE to change the files back into an archive. 4) PKZIP v0.92 to extract the files from the archives. All of these are available from the Info-DEC-Micro File Archives. Since some of these are needed from the beginning, please send some mail requesting some help and telling me which of the above you have so I can see what I can arrange for you to get you set up using the archives. [ stuff about user submissions cut, GAT ] ----- snip, snip, snip ----- I believe the only change made since this was written is that PKZIP v1.01 is now the file zipper of choice. Soooo, your first step is to request the files AAREADME.1ST and AAAFILES.TXT. I don't believe Rob has automated this so please realize there's a human on the other end. Since now's a common time for exams, I would *not* expect a rapid turn-around. Happy hunting, George --- ~ EZ 1.23b4 #263 ~ BARCELONA - Site of the 1992 Olympic Games ------------------------------ Date: 12-14-89 (21:07) To: FRANK MALLORY Subject: PRIVATE MAIL TO FIDONET From: GEORGE THEALL FM>GT> What you'll need is the address of the person on FidoNet, ... FM>Are you sure that works universally, George? That implies that there is FM>a gateway node in Fidonet who has volunteered to forward messages to any BB FM>no matter where it is situated. My info comes from John Quartermain's _The Matrix_ (an excellent source of info about networking, IMHO). IFNA apparently has registered the domain name "fidonet.org" with the folks in charge of Internet; this probably works off of MX records. It means those of us with smart mailers don't have to worry about specific gateway machines - the mailer takes care of finding the appropriate gateway, not the sender! For the curious, the book lists two principal gateways - fidogate.fidonet.org (1:125/406) and castle.fidonet.org (1:152/201). The former appears to handle the UUCP stuff while the latter deals with mail to/from the Internet. FM>Fido users have to send their messages to the hub or gateway that is furnis FM>the interface to UUCP, using standard netmail procedures. The addressee is FM>shown as "uucp", and the first line of the message must have the form: FM> FM>To: @ FM> FM>The second line of the message must be blank, and the rest of the message FM>follows. Now that I have the book, this seems to agree with what Quartermain says. The only difference is that Internet mail should be addressed to user "arpa" via 1:152/201 and contain as it's first line a valid domain-style address following the keyword "ARPA:". Frank, would you mind sending me a message using this method? I'll let people here know whether it was successful. Assuming it is, we'll have things pretty much figured out! Messages from INFO-DEC-MICRO/comp.sys.dec.micro that are posted here have the email address of the sender at the top (and some give more complete address formats at the bottom). Isn't networking fun? George --- ~ EZ 1.23b4 #263 ~ "Get back to work, you!" - Matt Groening ------------------------------