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From: u-gclapp%ug.utah.edu@cs.utah.edu (Glenn Clapp)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.sys.mac
Subject: Re: PC's are democratic; Mac's are fascistic
Summary: Oh no, not more of this stuff.
Message-ID: <1989Dec18.191117.18483@hellgate.utah.edu>
Date: 19 Dec 89 02:11:17 GMT
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First, my bits o' stuff:

People use what works, and what they like.  If you like what you are using,
and it does "everything" YOU want it to do, then it's the perfect system
for you.  Nuff said, the rest just doesn't matter.  Now, on with the flame.

In article <1989Dec18.142406.5066@hellgate.utah.edu> t-jacobs@cs.utah.edu (Tony Jacobs) writes:
>In article <1210@serene.UUCP> rfarris@serene.UU.NET (Rick Farris) writes:
>> [... some stuff...]
>  [... some other stuff...]

>>The PC world is very democratic.  It allows the *user* to decide
>>whether he wants a gui or a text based system.  It allows the user to
>>determine what sort of LAN he'd like.  It allows the user to decide
>>what sort of display quality he'd like.  Apple does none of the
>>above. 
>>
>NONE OF THE ABOVE? I guess that makes you a democratic grandious generalizer.
>The Mac has *LOTS* of choices of LANs connectability.
>The Mac has lots of different size/shape/color/resolution displays to choose
>from. Does the PC world have 32bit color to choose from? (Just asking)
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You bet it does, and has had since time began.  Ever heard of TARGA or
Vista boards (and these are middle of the road products too).

>
>>In fact, I'll go on record as stating that there is *far more*
>>graphics based software avaiable for the PC than there is for Apple.
>>There is far more *everything* available for the PC than for Apple.
>>
>BIG DEAL! You're not saying anything here. There's far more software which
>means theres far more junk. Why don't you be so daring as to go on the record
>as stating there is far more *High*Quality* graphics software or that the PC
>software is of a *Higer*Quality* than the graphics software of the Mac.
>I doubt the Desktop Publishing Software is better.
>I doubt the Paint type programs are better.
>I doubt the Illustration type programs are better.
>I doubt the Presentation type programs are better.
>I doubt the 3D Rendering type programs are better.
>.
Now we're splitting hairs.  The issue isn't quality OR quantity, but choice.
A large volume of choices makes software cheaper.  For example, AutoCAD, the
final (first?) word in CAD software has cut its prices drastically since
its introduction simply due to competition, and the choices are staggering.
A PC user has a *greater chance* of finding the_just_right_application, 
but the Mac user has greater conformity to standards.  All a matter
of prefferences, choices, and price.


>>PC's (of an equivalent vintage) have always had better graphics and
>>much quicker operation than Apples.
>>
>You have any benchmarks to back that up?
>

I do, just check the year end issues of Byte and PC Magazine (a month
or so ago) for benchmarks (Byte is the better choice).  Macs fall 
short at about middle-of-the-road for PC's.

>Look the truth is that the PC is better in some things, the Mac in others.
>Don't insult the intelligence and wast the time of the rest of us by trying
>to make all these general sweeping claims. Especially without hardly any
>examples or data to back it up.

That's the first bit of truth I've heard in all this babble, but it
goes further than that.  It's not really an issue of what does what
better than what, but what works for YOU, and what do YOU like. :-)

Glenn