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From: woody@eos.UUCP (Wayne Wood)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.sys.mac
Subject: Re: IBM vs. Mac - Long (was Re: Xerox sues Apple!!!)
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Date: 19 Dec 89 08:04:28 GMT
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In article <18222@netnews.upenn.edu> meuchen@grad2.cis.upenn.edu (Paul Eric Menchen) writes:
>
>I've worked on Macs for a number of years, and bought a Mac II system
>about a year and a half ago.  Sure, I spent a little more than an IBM
>system, but you can't say I spent more than an equivalent IBM system
>because there isn't such a thing.
>

you mean you spent *ALOT* more than for an IBM.

>Also, I worked at a company that used IBMs this summer, so I have a
>lot to base my decisions on.  You've never touched a Mac and never
>plan to do so.  I like to keep an open mind, so I worked on IBMs for
>more than three months.  After this time, I respect and appreciate my
>Mac even more.  I worked for APS Communications Corp. putting together
>a phonebook in Spanish in San Antonio, TX.  We had three IBM machines,
>two '386 and one '286, hooked up to an NEC Silentwriter PostScript
>printer. We were using Aldus Pagemaker 3.0, a program I have used on
>the Mac for about a year and half. While some of these may reflect
>deficiencies of that program, I think they also offer insight to the
>IBM platform.
>

[ bunch of user garbage deleted ]

>I have given straight comparisons, with data when appropriate and
>available, from an experienced backround on both machines.  When you
>can do this same, I will continue this discussion.
>
>Paul Eric Menchen
>meuchen@grad1.cis.upenn.edu
>
>I am solely responsible for everything I've said,
>although I'm sure there are thousands (more, actually)
>of other Mac users (probably some IBM users as well)
>who will agree with me.

well, let me pick up the thread here...

i worked on the MACINTRASH, *NIX workstations, CP/M MICROS and all flavors
of IBM PCs/XTs/ATs/386s.

Have you ever programmed on one of those pieces of shit?  That GUI you're so
damned proud of is a nuisance.  When i want to grab a port, or read a file,
i don't want to have to wade through cartoons to get to it.  i don't want
the machine to tell me i can't access a file because it wasn't created by the
application... i want the goddamn file!  i don't normally put up with that 
behavior from humans and i'll be damned if i'll put up with it from a machine!

it took me three months to create an application on a MACII that only took
me two weeks to create on a *NIX machine.  Productivity?  BULLSHIT!

the mac does do things well, but as a programming environment it sucks.

i transferred away from the job that required me to use the FRANKINTOSH
and now i get to program on a computer... i hope to never have to work
on one of those bastard mutant offspring of an etch-a-sketch [tm] and
a typewriter again.

remember,  if you make something idiot-proof, then idots will use it!


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