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From: kan@dg-rtp.dg.com (Victor Kan)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.m88k
Subject: Re: GCC for the Motorola 88000
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Date: 20 Dec 89 19:11:19 GMT
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In article <1612@bnr-rsc.UUCP> bcarh185!schow@bnr-rsc.UUCP (Stanley T.H. Chow) writes:
>In article <1374@xyzzy.UUCP> wood@gen-rtx.rtp.dg.com () writes:
>>./pub/gnu:
>>-rw-rw-r--   1 12595200 Nov  8 16:03 emacs-18.55.8.bin.tar
>>-rw-rw-r--   1 29696000 Nov  8 16:10 emacs-18.55.src.tar
>
> Do I read this right? 12.5 MegaBytes for an editor! (30 meg in source)!
> Is this a comment on emacs, gnu-c, 88K or what?

The bin tar file contains more than just the binary for emacs.
It includes many other programs, e.g. movemail, documentation files,
etc.  Also, I believe they used a very large block size in those tar
files.  Much of that space may be padding NULs.

The entire source distribution has LOTS of stuff in it.
There are .el files and their .elc equivalents, source control
stuff, etc.

The emacs binary I'm running on my AViiON workstation 
is 884736 bytes (stripped), which isn't too bad for emacs.  
I've seen bigger emacs executables (stripped) on SPARCs and VAXen.  
The emacs we have on 386's running 386/ix is about 600000 bytes.
The smallest GNU Emacs binary I remember seeing was on a Sun 3 - 
~ 550000 bytes.

Hey, a new dumb usenet contest:  Has anyone seen a smaller GNU Emacs binary?

To be frank, m88k binaries are generally bigger than 386 or 68k
binaries, at least in my experience.  Is this generally the case 
with RISC compilers, which I assume optimize for speed rather than
space?

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