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From: yap@me.utoronto.ca (Davin Yap)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga,comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.sys.mac
Subject: Re: Xerox sues Apple!!!
Message-ID: <1989Dec17.223025.6618@me.toronto.edu>
Date: 18 Dec 89 03:30:25 GMT
References: <6767@tank.uchicago.edu> <1989Dec17.112127.27333@me.toronto.edu> <14960@boulder.Colorado.EDU>
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>In article <1989Dec17.112127.27333@me.toronto.edu> I write:
>>
>>I wouldn't be surprised if all they were after is to punish impudent
>>Apple (<-- scumbags from hell). 
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kuo@boulder.Colorado.EDU (KUO ANDY Y) replies:
>  This world is unfair!  
>
>Why hasn't anyone sue the big blue for
>- giving user the *ugly*, *unfriendly* text based interface from hell?
>- shamelessly cheat the users for a actually not so good computer?
>- rudely made many users' life miserable and waster users' time?

	Personally I don't have a problem with this - never had.  I don't
	mind DOS because I accept it as what it truly is: not much more
	than a monitor (it ain't an OS if you can get at the hardware).
	Then again, my first summer job was writing assembly language 
	programs for these things back in '85 (aside: I didn't even know
	what assembly language was, when I got the job :-) and I can see
	how people who can't intuit the innards of DOS/Unix might have 
	a problem.
>
>  It is a fact that the standard interface of windows, pull down menus,
>make things look good and friendly.
>
>  It is a fact that a user would need to buy a book other than just the
>manual for a DOS software, while Mac users don't even have to look at
>the manual and learn things fast.

	Granted.  This is precisely what pisses me off about Apple: a
	GUI is wonderful, "but you MUST buy one of OUR machines to use it.
	If you buy someone elses machine we expect a small royalty
	payment."  On another note, I don't know how accurate this
	(second-hand) information is, but I've been told that Apple
	recently tried to organize a consortium of companies that would
	agree to stop offering educational discounts!  Sliiimmmeeeeyyyy!
>
>  It is a fact that NuBus, SCSI, AppleTalk, 68xxx chip is superior than 
>EISA/MCA, ESDI, nothing standard or build in, 80xxx(not include 80486).
	
	Sigh...  There are far too many points to consider in that there
	sentence of yours.  Suffice to say, you haven't brought up any
	supporting evidence for your conclusion, nor do I want to get
	into a discussion (with you) about any of the above.  There are
	advantages and disadvantages on both sides.  However, I
	will go out on a limb and state, based on the contents of your
	posting, that you aren't qualified to make such a statement.
	Yes, I know them there's fightin' words, but I don't want to
	argue.  I won't reply - it's not worth it.

>
>  But the company that took the *risk* to provide the user *more* than
>the other impundent company is being "punished".  What is fairness?
>What is the good judgement?  Where are the users?
>
>  If Apple never had continued the work from the star project, will we
>users see the windowing interface so early?

	Likely; the prices of workstations are dropping dramatically, to
	the point where you could almost buy one as a home machine.  As
	evidenced by Apple NOT suing Sun/Apollo/X-Consortium, Apple was
	not the only company taking *risks*(?).  With the 'sparcintosh' on
	the horizon, the beginning of the end of Apple (as we know it) 
	is nigh :-).
>
>  If *some* people would not be so close minded, will the *rest of general*
>users having to learn the terrible interface like the DOS?

	Sorry, I couldn't quite figure out your grammar, but I believe this
	sentence amounts to whining.  'nuff said.
>
>  Wouldn't the Xmas be merrier if.....

	...people who owned Macs (because they couldn't figure out how to
	use any other computer) weren't allowed on USENET :-).  Yes.

	Sorry ;^> I couldn't help myself!!  If you're going to leave your
	balls on the table, someone's bound to chop them off sooner or
	later.

	Davin
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