Xref: utzoo comp.sys.ibm.pc:40320 comp.sys.mac:44697 Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!clyde.concordia.ca!uunet!wuarchive!psuvax1!rutgers!mcnc!kk From: kk@mcnc.org (Krzysztof Kozminski) Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.sys.mac Subject: Re: IBM vs. Mac - Long (was Re: Xerox sues Apple!!!) Message-ID: <1528@speedy.mcnc.org> Date: 19 Dec 89 18:57:07 GMT References: <6767@tank.uchicago.edu> <1989Dec17.112127.27333@me.toronto.edu> <14960@boulder.Colorado.EDU> <4574@ur-cc.UUCP> <18222@netnews.upenn.edu> <5842@eos.UUCP> Reply-To: kk@mcnc.org.UUCP (Krzysztof Kozminski) Organization: MCNC; RTP, NC Lines: 45 In article <5842@eos.UUCP> woody@eos.UUCP (Wayne Wood) writes: >In article <18222@netnews.upenn.edu> meuchen@grad2.cis.upenn.edu (Paul Eric Menchen) writes: >>Sure, I spent a little more than an IBM system, but you can't say I spent >>more than an equivalent IBM system because there isn't such a thing. > >you mean you spent *ALOT* more than for an IBM. Read it again. He spent infinitely less than for an *equivalent* IBM (since there is no such thing). >i worked on the MACINTRASH, *NIX workstations, CP/M MICROS and all flavors >of IBM PCs/XTs/ATs/386s. >Have you ever programmed on one of those pieces of shit? You mean IBM, right? Dunno about Paul, but I did program on IBMs and hope never to have to do it again ... >That GUI you're so damned proud of is a nuisance. When i want to grab a >port, or read a file (...) i don't want the machine to tell me i can't >access a file because it wasn't created by the application... i want the >goddamn file! Obviously, you're confused ... just goes to show your ignorance in the subject. If you knew what you were talking about, you'd know that it is no big deal to write a program that will open and read any file ... >it took me three months to create an application on a MACII that only took >me two weeks to create on a *NIX machine. Productivity? BULLSHIT! Meadow muffins. Any time I have to write a standalone application that does not require UNIX-specific system calls and lex/yacc, I'd do it on a Macintosh precisely for the reasons of productivity. Think C compiles on a Mac II in half the time of a VAX 8650 - I am talking CPU time here - the real time can be 1/10 of a moderately loaded 8650 ... Where I used to work, the command-line based applications for IBM would be written on a Mac Plus, then transferred and compiled on an IBM AT (it was a couple of years ago). I remember it used to take 20 minutes on an AT with a hard disk to compile a program that took 2 minutes on a Plus with floppies. KK -- Kris Kozminski kk@mcnc.org "The party was a masquerade; the guests were all wearing their faces."