Xref: utzoo comp.sys.mac:44405 comp.sys.next:4396 Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!ucsd!hub!6600pete From: 6600pete@hub.UUCP Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: What do I want to see in the Apple of the 90's? Message-ID: <3335@hub.UUCP> Date: 16 Dec 89 10:31:56 GMT References: <23098@brunix.UUCP> Sender: news@hub.UUCP Lines: 58 From article <23098@brunix.UUCP>, by rca@cs.brown.edu (Ronald C.F. Antony): >> NeXT is notorious for missing >> ship dates; they've missed the date for color before already. > > NeXT has so far a pretty good record for KEEPING the things > they promised. Including deadlines. The only time so far... Nope. They told us we would have the machine with a real OS (or they implied it would have a real OS by telling us the machine would be ready) about 6 months before it actually shipped. And they told us they would have color NeXT month, January (this was a rep we had on campus last summer). >> And don't get me going on the beta versions of Mach... > MACH is pretty stable... I wasn't talking about its stability, I was talking about its half-life. > I get more often bombs on the Mac than crashes on the NeXT. Firstly, the NeXT runs a UN*X variant. Processes rarely kill the entire system. (Although I seem to be doing it with increasing frequency... but that's probably because X gets killed and kills the machine in turn...) The Mac doesn't run UN*X. The Mac is a microcomputer. Sometimes it runs UN*X. The OS it is shipped with isn't UN*X. This is according to demand. Secondly (and I feel like I should put this in a macro at this point), I DON"T CRASH THE MAC unless I'm hacking. People I know don't crash the Mac. If crashes happen, we blame the application and throw it out. The crashes go away. It's the application's problem. The OS is stable. > And anyway: 1.0 is NO longer beta. How long did it take again? > University or not, compare the same pricing, either business or > university pricing, and the NeXT will be cheaper than a > comparable Mac (if there exists such a thing). Marketing marketing marketing. Macs cost because people pay. >>Editor, Macker | Online Macintosh Programming Journal; mail for >>subscription > ^no wonder he is upset! Why don't you settle > down and publish a NeXT Programming Journal? Give me a NeXT and I will. But I'll have to learn tons more about UN*X, Objective C, and NeXT's class library first. Give me three or four years. >>Hire this kid | > ^ maybe, one day... But he will have to work on a NeXT :) Fine. I haven't got anything against UN*X. But I wouldn't tarde my SE/30 for a NeXT, regardless of monetary considerations. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pete Gontier | InterNet: 6600pete@ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu, BitNet: 6600pete@ucsbuxa Editor, Macker | Online Macintosh Programming Journal; mail for subscription Hire this kid | Mac, DOS, C, Pascal, asm, excellent communication skills