Xref: utzoo comp.sys.mac:44631 comp.sys.next:4447 Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!clyde.concordia.ca!uunet!samsung!caesar.cs.montana.edu!ogicse!blake!Tomobiki-Cho!mrc From: mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU (Mark Crispin) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.next Subject: Re: The NeXT and the Mac Message-ID: <5094@blake.acs.washington.edu> Date: 19 Dec 89 06:10:22 GMT References: <2928@pur-phy> Sender: news@blake.acs.washington.edu Organization: Mendou Zaibatsu, Tomobiki-Cho, Butsumetsu-Shi Lines: 43 My comment on all of this is: . a NeXT is a Unix workstation with an user-level interface of the Xerox type . a Mac is a PC with a user-level interface of the Xerox type. There is such little overlap between the two a comparison is difficult. This is true even in price. You get a bottom of the line Mac for much cheaper than a bottom of the line NeXT. On the other hand, a NeXT is significantly cheaper than a comparably-equipped Mac. I've been a systems programmer for both the Mac and the NeXT. I hope never to be a Mac systems programmer again. The Mac has got to be one of the most programmer-hostile machines I have ever had to work with. By comparison, the IBM PC is a joy ride. The NeXT has a wonderful tool -- Interface Builder -- that makes the development of applications quite pleasant. Unfortunately, the programming interface under it -- Application Kit -- is often "backwards". Often you can't do what you want directly. Perhaps the nastiest thing are the two parallel sets of objects under Cell and Control that really should have been a single set. However all this is still leaps and bounds better than what exists on the Mac. The NeXT has real memory management and real multi-processing. You cannot call MultiFinder "multi-processing." I can get a lot more done a lot faster on the NeXT. The Mac has a more intuitive graphical interface. I rarely use the icon based interface on the NeXT, preferring instead the Unix shell (and as an old TOPS-20 hacker I'm a shell *hater*). The Mac has a more convenient form of diskettes. Some of the things I dislike about the NeXT are the things that make it Macish. I hate double-clicking, for example; I wish I could use both mouse buttons. I think there's been a bit too much "cutesy" in both interfaces. But that's just opinion. Mark Crispin / 6158 Lariat Loop NE / Bainbridge Island, WA 98110-2098 mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU -- MRC@PANDA.PANDA.COM -- (206) 842-2385 Atheist & Proud -- R90/6 pilot -- Lum-chan ga suki ja!!! tabesaserarenakerebanaranakattarashii...kisha no kisha ga kisha de kisha-shita sumomo mo momo, momo mo momo, momo ni mo iroiro aru uraniwa ni wa niwa, niwa ni wa niwa niwatori ga iru