Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!mstar!mstar.morningstar.com!bob From: bob@MorningStar.Com (Bob Sutterfield) Newsgroups: comp.windows.x Subject: Re: talk, beeps (was Re: (none)) Message-ID: Date: 14 Dec 89 18:31:30 GMT References: <8912131434.AA19336@crdgw1.ge.com> <1989Dec13.221405.3283@terminator.cc.umich.edu> <41512@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> Sender: news@MorningStar.COM (USENET Administrator) Reply-To: bob@MorningStar.Com (Bob Sutterfield) Organization: Morning Star Technologies Lines: 29 In-reply-to: casey@gauss.llnl.gov's message of 14 Dec 89 05:19:54 GMT In article <41512@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> casey@gauss.llnl.gov (Casey Leedom) writes: From: dpg@citi.umich.edu (David Gorgen) You could have the icon flash while beeping, but this is really a regression to a "visual bell"; these are not very popular. I've actually asked that it be possible to have icons reverse when associated windows change state (output, etc.) so you could tell that something had happened to a window since it was iconified. There was a user at OSU CIS who steadfastly refused to move from X10 to X11. Transition difficulty? Not really, he is one of the better programmers/systems folks I know, adept at environmental flexibility. Performance problems? Not really, he has an extended-memory Sun-3/50 and X11's performance is at least survivable. Compatibility? No, by now more machines there run X11 than X10. Features/toys? No, all the important desk accessories (post-its, calendars, etc.) have analogies, if not direct ports, and there are lots of new extras besides. And he acknowledges that the resource database and improved window manager functionality are big wins. He won't move to X11 until xterm has active icons once again. You remember the kind - when an X10 xterm is closed, its icon is a miniature version of the window with 1-pixel-high fonts. It lets you keep track of what's happening in a closed window, really very handy. I weaned myself of them soon enough after R1 came out, but some folks find that feature too attractive to give up. Oh well...