Path: utzoo!attcan!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!clyde.concordia.ca!uunet!mailrus!iuvax!rutgers!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: bgsuvax!kutz@cis.ohio-state.edu (Kenneth J. Kutz) Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: Once Saved Always Saved Message-ID: Date: 17 Dec 89 07:10:06 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Organization: Bowling Green State University B.G., Oh. Lines: 25 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu In article , MATH1H3@uhvax1.uh.edu (David H. Wagner) writes: > Jesus did say very clearly that one can have faith and lose it. In > the parable of the sower he said, concerning the seed falling on the rock, > "They believe for a while, but in time of testing they fall away." (Luke 8:13) James tells us in James 1:12 that the man who stands up under a trial and has stood the test will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him. This I believe is the first of a series of "tests of living faith" which James presents to his readers. James 2:14 describes a faith that does not save. I believe what distinguishes the faith of Luke 8:13 and James 2:14 from the faith that Paul talks about in Ephesians is that the latter is clearly stated as being the gift of God. The former faith is not. Instead it is the same kind of faith that the demons have (James 2:19). This faith is not from God, but from fallen creation. There's a difference. One lasts, the other is very fickle. -- Kenneth J. Kutz Internet kutz@andy.bgsu.edu Systems Programmer BITNET KUTZ@BGSUOPIE University Computer Services UUCP ...!osu-cis!bgsuvax!kutz Bowling Green State Univ. US Mail 238 Math Science, BG OH 43403