Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!clyde.concordia.ca!uunet!snorkelwacker!think!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!venera.isi.edu!smoliar From: smoliar@vaxa.isi.edu (Stephen Smoliar) Newsgroups: comp.ai Subject: Re: Causality (was: Re: Can Machines Think?) Message-ID: <11104@venera.isi.edu> Date: 22 Dec 89 23:14:10 GMT References: <6724@cbnewsh.ATT.COM> <5767@uhccux.uhcc.hawaii.edu> <5610@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu> <4678@itivax.iti.org> Sender: news@venera.isi.edu Reply-To: smoliar@vaxa.isi.edu.UUCP (Stephen Smoliar) Organization: USC-Information Sciences Institute Lines: 41 In article <4678@itivax.iti.org> dhw@itivax.UUCP (David H. West) writes: >In article <5610@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu> miken@rice-chex.WISC.EDU (Michael N. Nitabach) writes: >>metaphysical tradition, beginning with the British Empiricists, e.g. Locke >>and Hume. This is the view that causation is not an aspect of the world >>which our mentality can recognize, but rather a schema which our mind imposes > ^^^^^^^^^ >>on events with appropriate spatiotemporal relations. A conceptually >>opposite--Realist--stance would be that causation exists as an actual >>attribute of certain pairs of physical events. > >What, in this view, is "recognition"? Is it fallible? If we progress beyond Locke and Hume to Husserl, we discover that fallibility may not be the appropriate question. However we choose to characterize this "recognition," the important point is that it is IDIOSYNCRATIC. That is, each individual mind imposes its own set of schemata on the perceptions it experiences, including relations of causality. The fundamental issue of understanding then becomes one of how agent A, with his personal set of schemata, can communicate with agent B, who may have quite a different set of schemata. This brings to mind the old joke about Wittgenstein asking how a sunrise looked different to a man who believed that the sun was in orbit about the earth. Disclaimer: These remarks are based on my first reading of Husserl's THE CRISIS OF EUROPEAN SCIENCES AND TRANSCENDENTAL PHENOMENOLOGY. This is one of those books which deserves, if not demands, multiple readings. If I have misinterpreted Husserl, I hope that I shall do better after my next reading. Meanwhile, any supplementary comments will be greatly appreciated. ========================================================================= USPS: Stephen Smoliar USC Information Sciences Institute 4676 Admiralty Way Suite 1001 Marina del Rey, California 90292-6695 Internet: smoliar@vaxa.isi.edu "For every human problem, there is a neat, plain solution--and it is always wrong."--H. L. Mencken