Xref: utzoo comp.ai:5287 talk.philosophy.misc:3370 sci.philosophy.tech:1819 Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!usc!brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!jarthur!bridge2!mips!prls!pyramid!thirdi!metapsy!sarge From: sarge@metapsy.UUCP (Sarge Gerbode) Newsgroups: comp.ai,talk.philosophy.misc,sci.philosophy.tech Subject: Re: Can Machines Think? Summary: What is a "program", exactly? Keywords: Searle Chinese Room Turing test software hardware Message-ID: <973@metapsy.UUCP> Date: 26 Dec 89 14:22:30 GMT References: <83367@linus.UUCP> <1989Dec18.014229.18058@athena.mit.edu> <968@metapsy.UUCP> <1989Dec19.061822.27585@athena.mit.edu> Reply-To: sarge@metapsy.UUCP (Sarge Gerbode) Organization: Metapsychology, Woodside, CA Lines: 24 Distribution: In article <1989Dec19.061822.27585@athena.mit.edu> crowston@athena.mit.edu (Kevin Crowston) writes: >>[After object] code is loaded, there is actually a different >>physical machine there, just as much as if one had gone out and >>bought a different machine. >But even so, the program still exists in both cases, right? Good question. What *is* a "program", anyway? The ascii source characters, taken as an aggregate? The machine-language code, as a sequence of octal or hex characters? The magnetic patterns on the disc? The electronic patterns in RAM when the programis loaded? Or is it, as I suspect, the detailed *concept* the programmer had in mind when he wrote the source code? Perhaps the program (or, if you will, the overall algorithm) is a *possibility* that can be actualized (implemented) in a variety of ways. This possibility exists in the mind of a conscious being as the concept called "the program". Without the concept, you would not have a "program" but a mere pattern of electronic whatevers. -- Sarge Gerbode -- UUCP: pyramid!thirdi!metapsy!sarge Institute for Research in Metapsychology 431 Burgess Drive; Menlo Park, CA 94025