Xref: utzoo comp.ai:5324 sci.philosophy.tech:1841 Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!clyde.concordia.ca!uunet!samsung!brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!apple!voder!pyramid!thirdi!metapsy!sarge From: sarge@metapsy.UUCP (Sarge Gerbode) Newsgroups: comp.ai,sci.philosophy.tech Subject: Re: Thought and Utility Summary: Machines can't intend. Let's separate reality from metaphor. Keywords: decision intention reality metaphor Message-ID: <984@metapsy.UUCP> Date: 31 Dec 89 17:43:48 GMT References: <31821@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> <0cTG02uf793w01@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> Reply-To: sarge@metapsy.UUCP (Sarge Gerbode) Organization: Metapsychology, Woodside, CA Lines: 37 In article <0cTG02uf793w01@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com> kp@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com (Ken Presting) writes: >Evaluating a utility function and applying a decision procedure seems to >me to be the formal essence of cognition. Any system that does this has, >I suggest, the beginnings of intelligence. Several other qualities are >relevant (use of a public language, self-modification, susceptibility to >argument) to full "personhood", but you have to respect a machine that >knows what it wants and knows how to get it. >There is no reason a finitary system couldn't do this - that's why I >believe in strong AI. I would agree that the ability to decide (which implies the ability to *intend*) is crucial to the process of understanding. But intending (or deciding) requires a conscious being. It is not enough to say that given condition A, result A' obtains, whereas given condition B, result B' obtains. The same could be said of an eroded hillside: When it rains, you get mudslides; when it doesn't rain, you get cracks. That doesn't mean the hillside is *deciding* anything. It behaves that way because that is the physics of the situation. The same is true of a computer, except that what occurs with a computer is simpler and more predictable. It is important to recognize the difference betweeen reality and metaphor. We tend to use anthropomorphic metaphors when talking about machines. And that's OK, until we get so wrapped up in the metaphor that we lose sight of the fact that it *is* a metaphor. It's the same problem that exists with the metaphor of "mental illness", used to describe confusion, unhappiness, and aberrant behavior. (I've heard the term "computer doctor" used in jest and the term "virus", but nobody yet thinks that in debugging a program we are curing an illness.) -- Sarge Gerbode -- UUCP: pyramid!thirdi!metapsy!sarge Institute for Research in Metapsychology 431 Burgess Drive; Menlo Park, CA 94025