Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!torsqnt!tmsoft!masnet!canremote!sm5y+@andrew.cmu.edu From: sm5y+@andrew.cmu.edu@canremote.uucp (sm5y+@andrew.cmu.edu) Newsgroups: comp.ai Subject: Re: Can Machines Think? Message-ID: <89122504120274@masnet.uucp> Date: 21 Dec 89 05:05:00 GMT Organization: Canada Remote Systems Limited, Mississauga, ON, Canada Lines: 37 From: sm5y+@andrew.cmu.edu (Samuel Antonio Minter) Orga: Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA 1988:11:19:05:13 SFT Couldn't you use the Chinese room analogy to prove that Humans don't truly understand either. In this case the matter/energy in the human body take the role of the man in the room and all his stacks of cards, while the basic laws of physics take the role of the instuction book. After all just as the instruction book tells the man what to do thus simulating a room which understands Chinese, the laws telling how various atoms, electrons, energy fields, etc. interact with each other "instruct" the matter and energy of the human body how to simulate intelligent behavior. Maybe even understanding Chinese! Is there an error in this argument that I'm missing. If there isn't then it is a more powerful counter argument than the agument "of course the man dosn't understand, but the whole room does." 1988:11:19:05:19 SFT ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ |\ You have just read a message from Abulsme Noibatno Itramne! ~ ~ | \ ~ ~ | /\ E-Mail@CMU: sm5y+@andrew.cmu.edu ~ ~ |/ \ S-Mail@CMU: Sam Minter First the person ~ ~ |\ /| 4730 Centre Ave., #102 next ~ ~ | \/ | Pittsburgh, PA 15213 the function!! ~ ~ | / | ~ ~ |/ | <-----An approximation of the Abulsme symbol ~ ~ ~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ --- * Via MaSNet/HST96/HST144/V32 - UN AI * Via Usenet Newsgroup comp.ai