Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!clyde.concordia.ca!uunet!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!xanth!mcnc!thorin!lhotse!symon From: symon@lhotse.cs.unc.edu (James Symon) Newsgroups: comp.music Subject: Re: Tuning (e.g. pianos) Message-ID: <11298@thorin.cs.unc.edu> Date: 22 Dec 89 16:18:50 GMT References: <15132@well.UUCP> <11435@goofy.megatest.UUCP> Sender: news@thorin.cs.unc.edu Lines: 37 In article <11435@goofy.megatest.UUCP>, djones@megatest.UUCP (Dave Jones) writes: > . . . > In Western, Eastern, and every other kind of music, the dominant is 3/2 > the frequency of the tonic, not 2/3. "A" is not the dominant of "C", nor is > "C" the dominant of "A". And C' is twice the frequency of of C, not half. > Thank you Dave Jones and others for pointing out what a mess that original article was before some poor soul took it seriously. Of course, we all know what it's like to fire off a posting only to read it later and groan in embarassment over the careless errors. However, beyond the carelessness, assuming tempered tuning and that we didn't play the transposed version right after the original, what difference does it make how far in the circle of fifths one is from the other? I leave open the question of latent perfect pitch detecting such small differences. Certainly composers have felt differently about different keys. There is one aspect of this phenomenon (toons transposed taste tangy) that I haven't seen mentioned. I may have missed it. Even if you are given that your piano is well-tuned to be properly well-tempered (so no mathematical difference between the keys of C and C#), and even if it seems doubtful that most of us have enough latent perfect pitch to react differently to C and C# versions played far apart in time (I'm not sure about this), it may be that on a typical piano some keys get used much more than others. ("I don't want to try that piece, too many sharps.") This may lead to a difference in wear in the key actions and the way they strike the strings. Even more noticeable would be differential aging of the strings leading to a difference in the overtone structure. I can imagine several ways that differences in use could cause differences in the strings. Jim Symon | symon@cs.unc.edu Computer Science Dept | {uunet, decvax}!mcnc!unc!symon Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3175 | (919) w:962-1893 h:968-1024 ***Don't use "r" or my header line address***