Xref: utzoo comp.sys.atari.st:23368 rec.arts.anime:4802
Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st,rec.arts.anime
Path: utzoo!lsuc!jimomura
From: jimomura@lsuc.on.ca (Jim Omura)
Subject: Re: Usenet messages on CIS, GEnie
Keywords: Hmm, Usenet appears on CIS
Reply-To: jimomura@lsuc.UUCP (Jim Omura)
Date: Mon, 25 Dec 89 10:51:29 EST
Summary: Is there a Consensus?
Message-ID: <1989Dec25.105130.23070@lsuc.on.ca>
References: <2327@sactoh0.UUCP>
Organization: Law Society of Upper Canada, Toronto

In article <2327@sactoh0.UUCP> mfolivo@sactoh0.UUCP (Mark F. Newton) writes:
>Hmm. Alot of traffic on comp.sys.atari.st screaming, pleading,
>apologizing, etc, about the posting of Usenet articles on GEnie.
>
>From what I have read, a majority of the posters disliked the idea
>very strongly, that Usenet messages appear on a pay service, that
>is, a one-way link- Usenet on GEnie, but nothing from GEnie to
>Usenet.

     This is a long standing problem and we've been wrestling with
it on BIX.  If I can blow our horn a bit, at least on BIX we *care*
about how people feel about moving messages from Usenet to BIX.
I've shared messages from 'rec.arts.anime' with some specific people
on BIX, but I've only made general postings of things on special
occasions and usually with specific approval by authors.  You people
must realize that there are specific *commercial* Usenet nodes
around, don't you?  Actually, I've long felt that it was improper to
post *anything* on the Net which was not FULLY PUBLIC DOMAIN.  This
has nothing to do with legality, but simply a recognition that the
Net exists because the NODES PAY FOR IT.  Since every node contributes
effectively to everyone else on the Net, how can you justify stopping
anyone on the net from making the fullest possible usage of anything
that you post to it?  If you've been following 'comp.os.os9' you'll
know that *every* program I have posted to Usenet which was my own
work over the years has been declared fully public domain.  Nor do
I restrict any other postings I make which are my own work (not that
most people care about whether I declare my opinion messages as
public domain or not :-).

     Despite this, we have specific permission on BIX to carry
the 'risks' stuff, thanks to the Net moderator.  Furthermore, we
are acting as a network node for the Citadel network under the efforts
of Jefferson Software.

     So that's my stand:  1.  I have not been porting to BIX from Usenet
en masse for the BIX public, 2.  I do not feel people are right to
complain about the practice of using these messages on the commercial
systems.

     But this leaves me with a problem:  If people are doing this on
Compuserve and Genie, then BIX may be at a competitive disadvantge
because I've been the "good guy".  So maybe I should change my practice
and start posting a digest of 'rec.arts.anime' on BIX?  I don't know.
How do you people feel about this?

Cheers! -- Jim O.
>
>I understand that someone in rec.arts.anime compiles messages
>(edited? unknown.) and uploads it to CompuServe's Japanimation
>forum's downloads section, as "Usenet Digests". Now, as I
>understand it, noone there has said anything about it. So the users
>in r.a.a. apparently does't mind that their messages have to be
>"paid for" and downloaded from CIS.
>
>When I was on CIS, I used to see the files, but due to the size of
>them (usually around 32k) I never dloaded them. (read: $$$) But
>when I found out there was a local public access to Usenet, I
>switched and use this system exclusively.
>
>Now the users in r.a.a. apparently feel that the availability of
>anime information should be passed around, and it is my impression
>that c.s.a.st users do not want Usenet appearing on any pay
>service.
>
>Oyasuminasai da-cha,
>Shinobu
>
>
>-- 
>Sakura-mento, CA
> 
>mmsac!sactoh0!mfolivo   mfolivo@sactoh0
>pacbell!sactoh0!mfolivo   (they're worth a try...)


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