Xref: utzoo comp.sys.amiga:46308 comp.sys.ibm.pc:40593 comp.sys.mac:44969 Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!clyde.concordia.ca!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!psuvax1!rutgers!aramis.rutgers.edu!topaz.rutgers.edu!witting From: witting@topaz.rutgers.edu (Paul K Willing) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga,comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.sys.mac Subject: Re: Xerox sues Apple!!! Message-ID: Date: 22 Dec 89 10:12:30 GMT References: <6767@tank.uchicago.edu> <1989Dec17.112127.27333@me.toronto.edu> <14960@boulder.Colorado.EDU> Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Lines: 92 Sorry if Im a bit late in roasting this kentucky fried nitwit... In article <14960@boulder.Colorado.EDU> kuo@boulder.Colorado.EDU (KUO ANDY Y) writes: > In article <1989Dec17.112127.27333@me.toronto.edu> yap@me.utoronto.ca (Davin Yap) writes: > > > >I wouldn't be surprised if all they were after is to punish impudent > >Apple (<-- scumbags from hell). > >-- > > This world is unfair! > > Why hasn't anyone sue the big blue for > - giving user the *ugly*, *unfriendly* text based interface from hell? Anybody who knew PC's at the time would have had no trouble moving from then standard CPM to Dos, and was pretty good interface for its day. Its ugliness comes from the need to graft features never aticipated onto the old interface. And for a real taste of unfriendly try Prime. Icon based interfaces can never replace text based ones. Its like replacing ehglish with sign language. Sure you can get by with it, but its hardly as good. > - shamelessly cheat the users for a actually not so good computer? Shamelessly cheat?!?! I could by two or three machines for the cost of one mac plus. I do not consider a mac plus a good computer, either! > - rudely made many users' life miserable and waster users' time? Im not even going to bother with this one... > It is a fact that the standard interface of windows, pull down menus, > make things look good and friendly. Opinion, not fact. But I do agree, especially where novices are concerned. For a power user, someone doing more than writing an occaisional report, They become decicedly unfriendly > It is a fact that NuBus, SCSI, AppleTalk, 68xxx chip is superior than > EISA/MCA, ESDI, nothing standard or build in, 80xxx(not include 80486). Not fact opinion. This one is not even a good one. > It is a fact that a user would need to buy a book other than just the > manual for a DOS software, while Mac users don't even have to look at > the manual and learn things fast. Have you even tried? > But the company that took the *risk* to provide the user *more* than > the other impundent company is being "punished". What is fairness? > What is the good judgement? Where are the users? No more risk than does any computer company when introducing a new machine. The point is, Apple sued Microsoft (Of IBM fame) for its graphical interface for the IBM. Zerox is making its point that it had introduced the concept first. > If Apple never had continued the work from the star project, will we > users see the windowing interface so early? > > If *some* people would not be so close minded, will the *rest of general* > users having to learn the terrible interface like the DOS? Were Apple not so concerned about making money, maybe some of us users could AFFORD to own macs... Fact is, DOS machines outnumber Macs by insane numbers. My opinion is your a little yuppy in training who never got past the simple Name printing program... :} +I have lived with a computer since the days of 48k Apple II's and CPM monsters, I remember IBM's PC first release, the Lisa, The mac. My roomate bought one of the first Amigas. I also want a Mac IIcx 4/80. send donations to: 142 Weston DR Cherry Hill, NJ 08003 -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Graphiti on the wall of civil rights organization in the sixties "There is a town in Mississippi named Liberty There is a Department in Washington called Justice" A more socially aware sort of .sig witting@topaz.rutgers.edu