Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!clyde.concordia.ca!uunet!snorkelwacker!bloom-beacon!athena.mit.edu!jik From: jik@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan I. Kamens) Newsgroups: comp.unix.questions Subject: Re: passwds and crypt(3)... Message-ID: <1990Jan3.204103.9684@athena.mit.edu> Date: 3 Jan 90 20:41:03 GMT References: <1990Jan3.103141.9903@gdt.bath.ac.uk> <21913@adm.BRL.MIL> <1990Jan2.222052.915@athena.mit.edu> Sender: news@athena.mit.edu (News system) Reply-To: jik@athena.mit.edu (Jonathan I. Kamens) Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology Lines: 20 In article <1990Jan3.103141.9903@gdt.bath.ac.uk>, exspes@gdr.bath.ac.uk (P E Smee) writes: > Unstated, but implicit, is the fact that it is even worse if the perpetrator > just wants to break *some* password(s), not necessarily yours. Having > encrypted a 'trial' password once, it can then be checked against all > encrypted passwords in /etc/passwd to see if it gets any hits. (I'm not sure if you already know this, but it sounds like you don't -- I may just be understanding what you're trying to say wrong.) No, that's the whole point of the seed. The seed is *different* for each encrypted password in the /etc/passwd file (or, at the very least, there are a number of different seeds), so trial passwords must be encrypted in each possible seed before they can be compared to encrypted passwords. Jonathan Kamens USnail: MIT Project Athena 11 Ashford Terrace jik@Athena.MIT.EDU Allston, MA 02134 Office: 617-253-8495 Home: 617-782-0710