Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!ucbvax!SUPER.ORG!lerici From: lerici@SUPER.ORG (Peter W. Brewer) Newsgroups: comp.windows.news Subject: Re: Is SUN a "PURE PLAYER" in window systems - SunView or OpenWindows??? Message-ID: <8912302010.AA11723@super.super.org> Date: 30 Dec 89 21:58:25 GMT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Organization: The Internet Lines: 28 >Yeh, but that extension should not be in the application. The application >programmer should not have to deal with the details of a scrollbar. Changes >to the scrollbar should be outside the application binary. >Of course this is virtually impossible in X. Which is why making X or X >toolkits the basis of a future standard is, well, a horrible idea. >X is a dead end. As I've said before, it's the Fortran of windowing systems. >`-_-' Peter da Silva. +1 713 274 5180. . > 'U` Also or . >"It was just dumb luck that Unix managed to break through the Stupidity Barrier >and become popular in spite of its inherent elegance." -- gavin@krypton.sgi.com Almost all of the things you say about X could also be said about UNIX and have thus I am confused by your signature quote. Could it be that Sun is still trying to make something as good as the Apollo Display Manager .. a network windowing system based on the client server model? I think some of the toolkits coming out for X have alot of promise.. they are also for the most part still basically public domain freeware. In terms of extensibility they all have their good and bad sides. If NeWS is to find some niche it would be better off not knocking X but joining with it and enhancing it. Xnews is a poor attempt at this.. I do not think all of that stuff belongs in the server. Peter Brewer |||| ||||| ||||||||| |||||| //|||||\ |||||| lerici@super.org || ||__ || || || || || THE Supercomputing || || ||^^^^^^\\ || || || Research Center ~~~ |||||||| ||||| || || ||||| \\|||||/ ||||||