Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!clyde.concordia.ca!uunet!mailrus!iuvax!rutgers!psuvax1!psuvm!cunyvm!maine.bitnet!tar From: TAR@MAINE.BITNET (Thom Rounds) Newsgroups: news.groups Subject: Re: new Pink Floyd newsgroup Message-ID: Date: 25 Dec 89 04:16:02 GMT References: <423@mirsa.UUCP> <475@sci34hub.UUCP> <89346.135842TAR@MAINE.BITNET> <507@sci34hub.UUCP> Lines: 167 In article <507@sci34hub.UUCP>, gary@sci34hub.UUCP (Gary Heston) says: > >In article , TAR@MAINE.BITNET (Thom Rounds) >writes: > >[ recommendation, misinterpretation, and explanation deleted ] > >> I don't see how this is going to help. All I see it doing is making the >> name longer. As it is right now, you don't have to dig thru .gdead to find >> .beatles stuff. And besides, we'll be disussing more than shows, and the >chart- >> ers of the current aforementioned groups discuss more than shows. Therefore, >> the addition of 'shows' to the titles will not change anything and will just >> make the names longer. > >It would localize discussions of a similar nature--most showgoers are >probably not concerned about how to program a synthesizer. I think that >it would make life easier for the readers. A slightly longer name is a >reasonable tradeoff if it makes it easier to find what you want. The >worst impact is that someone posting an original article (not a >followup) would have to type six more characters. > Huh? Take a look in some of these groups sometime, all the discussion ARE of a similar nature! That's why they're called newsGROUPS. You never see incstruction on how to program a synthesizer in rec.music.gdead! And I don't know why you think the longer name is a reasonable tradeoff, because adding 'shows' wouldn't have any effect! The same people would read the group and say the exact same things! It doesn't make it easier to find DIDDLY if all the in- dividual rec.music.* groups become rec.music.shows.*! Please tell me how it does!! I really want to know how you think it does! >> >There could also be a rec.music.shows.misc to start up new >> >specialized newsgroups (it's easier to get a newsgroup >> >created if you can say "there's 48 postings per day about >> >this in the .misc group"). >> > >> You already can say that. There's a rec.music.misc. I don't see how >> your idea would help any. > >Yes. Currently the articles about shows/bands/acts are mixed in with >how many others? How easy is it to determine that a show/band/act is >generating enough activity to justify a individual group? First, you >have to filter all the noise in rec.music.misc. Localizing the articles >about shows in another area would make the process easier. > If you have to put that much effort into finding a discussion, I don't think it even warrants a newsgroup, now does it? >> >By the way, do you intend to commit seppu ku if the vote fails? >> > >> No, but the way you talk, homicide comes to mind. Why don't you grow up? > >I believe you mentioned something about getting a group one way or another, >or "die trying". You are probably more in need of growing up. Incidentally, >homicide or threat thereof is a criminal act. A felony, in this state. > Nice stab at trying to put me down. It didn't work. If you want me to face charges in your state for something I wrote in my state, I think you'd better get a real good lawyer. i.e., What is your point? >[ explanation of terminology deleted ] ^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^ - Yep, and it is all I talk about in the next paragraph, so you remove it and make people guess as to what you said. Nice. > >> Excuse me, but you haven't mentioned a single show. You've named bands. >> 'Radio K.A.O.S.' is a show. Roger Waters is a performer. 'Delicate Sound of >> Thunder' was a show (boy, was it ever!). Pink Floyd is a band. What is your >> point?? > >A show is a performance done by one or more individuals or groups, for an >audience. It may be public or private, live, recorded, or broadcast. The >point is to come up with a understandable term to group things together. >Since you're unwilling to consider the grouping, I don't expect you to >get the point. Incidentally, Madonna is not a band. She's a performer. >And a good one. > That's nice. But as I said, we will not be discussing just shows. We will be discussing EVERYTHING pertaining to Pink Floyd. Why are you so dead-set on having 'shows' added to the title. >[ .... ] > >> >may make a few other suggestions as to where you could put it. :-) ) > >> Oh, boy, am *I* impressed at this show of masculinity. > >You obviously haven't been introduced to the concept of a "smiley", >sometime called a "net.smiley". See news.newuser.questions for >an explanation. > Bug off. If doesn't matter if you say something like that with a smiley added or not it is still quite pompous. The smiley makes no difference with a line like that one. And I'm not an idiot. I've been using that stupid smiley for six years, I think there's a chance that I just might know what it's for. >[ .... ] > >> >A modem might be useful, too. > >> Thank you, wise ass. > >You're welcome. Try the term "usenet access" next time. It's clearer. > My, my, my, aren't WE a perfectionist who expects US to jump when you say 'frog'!!! First you tell me what to name the newsgroup I'm working to create and THEN you tell me how I should talk and what sentences I should use! Just who the hell do you think you are? >> >I'm not trying to prevent the start of a Pink Floyd newsgroup. I just think >> >the "proper place in the net" is rec.music.shows.pfloyd. > >> I don't. And I don't see why you do. > >Simple. We have different opinions. You feel yours is untouchable, and >don't care about anyone elses' that would change your idea in any way. > Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!! The reason I don't see why you think rec.music.shows.pfloyd is proper is because you haven't explained why! All you've done for the past five days is describe the word 'show'. Kindly explain the REASONS and not the terminology!! Or do YOU feel that your opinions are untouchable? Hmmn? And besides, if I did understand your idea, it probably wouldn't change my opinion anyway! There's no point in what you suggest! At least not that you've explained! Kindly explain your point and stop flaming me! >> >> > Gary Heston [ some .sig below ] > >Speaking of growing up, was there any particular reason you changed the >word "full" in the above line to "some"? Do you really think the people >reading this newsgroup are so dumb that they won't notice the change? >And then you deleted most of the followup .sig, and made it a point >to remove your entire .sig from the posting. You seem to be going to >a lot of effort to make me look bad. That type of behavior will do >more damage to your reputation than mine. Not to mention hurting the >prospects for a pfloyd group. > And what's this? I wasn't trying to make you look bad. I was trimming the size of the article, and trimmed you .sig to the important stuff. Since your 'full .sig' wasn't enclosed, I changed the line to 'some .sig below' since that was more accurate. And you know that. Why are YOU trying to make ME look bad? And besides, I don't USE my .sig anymore. A one-line signature is much better. >> >> Thom Rounds >> >-- >> > Gary Heston { uunet!sci34hub!gary } System Mismanager > >Go ahead and call for a group, under whatever name you wish. Prior to >your flammage, I'd have probably voted for it. Now, I don't know >that I will. I doubt that I'll vote against it--Pink Floyd isn't >responsible for your behavior. The net can decide about a newsgroup. > You really are paranoid, you know that? I wasn't flaming you. I asked you questions. You couldn't give me any valid answers, so you had to abuse me instead. I don't deserve putting up with you attitude, so kindly either explain your views or don't mention them if you can't. >-- > Gary Heston { uunet!sci34hub!gary } System Mismanager > SCI Technology, Inc. OEM Products Department (i.e., computers) > Hestons' First Law: I qualify virtually everything I say. I'm a jerk, folks. I only posted the first line of his .sig last time. Well for those of you who have been in suspense the whole time here is his entire .sig. Thank you for waiting.