Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!uwm.edu!rpi!tale From: tale@cs.rpi.edu (David C Lawrence) Newsgroups: news.groups Subject: Re: You people can start voting now... Message-ID: <97HFJ%@rpi.edu> Date: 4 Jan 90 00:41:37 GMT References: Organization: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Troy NY Lines: 60 In TAR@MAINE.BITNET (Thom Rounds) writes: > Yes. I have been following all the necessary steps. Someone else has > decided that he is God and can cancell my articles. You and I both > know him. You are really being a pest. Please stop. You truly are a fanatic. It is very apparent to those of us who have a better grasp of the machinations of USENET than you do that you are letting your feelings, or perhaps just your inexperience, cloud your judgement regarding whatever events really _did_ happen. So you continue to whine in the faces of several people who know the score, can tell you've been had by one joke made by Richard (in words only) and who will likely, if it is their wont, be able to prevent you from ever getting this group since you insist on insulting them and denying the facts. At least present them. Show the call for votes, the repost and/or the cancellations which removed them. Full headers would be nice, but we're capable enough to track this down with just a couple of Message-IDs, if indeed any of the afforementioned articles/control messages made it into the mainstream USENET. When Richard made his joke, I checked on our server to find any cancellation messages that had been received in the fourteen days immediately prior to his assertion. 17 Decemeber fell within that time frame (his article was posted 29 December) and so, obviously, was this "few days later" that you have mentioned as being when you re-posted the call for votes. This was all in plenty of time before Greg went on vaction, too; there were other articles posted to news.announce.newgroups in the interim. Please note that Greg uses the original Message-ID from the sending site in his postings. What I discovered were two cancellations posted back-to-back by Chandu Bhavsar on 20 December to nuke two articles in alt.rock-n-roll.metal. Mail to him at IO80448@MAINE.BITNET will probably show these to be genuine cancellations of postings he made under the titles, "Re: Origin of "Heavy Metal"" and "Re: Classic Metal Albums FOR SALE". I haven't bothered confirming this with him because they didn't show up until the 20th. That might explain the mysterious disappearance of the re-post, but not of the article you had posted three days prior. As Blair has pointed out, which you should have seen by now even if you didn't see it when you made the posting to which I am now following up, there would almost certainly be a trail lying around. B News sites don't forward cancellations which they receive for articles which have not appeared on their machine, but C News sites do. Once your article gets out of the psuvm!cunyvm!maine.bitnet land to psuvax1, it is C News to here (rpi!brutus!psuvax1). In fact, once it hits psuvax1 it is on this machine within a matter of seconds. Even if Richard were capable of instantaneously producing a cancel message for your article the moment it reached gryphon, then it would still take a moment longer for it to make the gryphon -> two nasa sites -> usc -> zaphod -> back to rpi.edu journey. I might not have seen the original call but certainly my machine would have, if indeed it ever made it to the net. Now would you please grow up a little more and get the facts before you continue this whole rec.music.pfloyd debate? Dave -- (setq mail '("tale@cs.rpi.edu" "tale@ai.mit.edu" "tale@rpitsmts.bitnet"))