Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!clyde.concordia.ca!uunet!bfmny0!tneff From: tneff@bfmny0.UU.NET (Tom Neff) Newsgroups: news.misc Subject: Re: The Rape of Usenet Message-ID: <15034@bfmny0.UU.NET> Date: 27 Dec 89 17:15:36 GMT Reply-To: tneff@bfmny0.UU.NET (Tom Neff) Lines: 45 First: David Small has behaved like a true net gentlebeing throughout this episode, and he deserves public congratulations. If only more of us exhibited such concern for what the rest of the net thinks! Second: Gatewaying certain special interest mailing lists and/or newsgroups with the corresponding GEnie roundtables sounds like a winner, providing it's two way, but also providing the GEnie moderater staff are carefully apprised of their responsibilities as 'news admins'. Where there are useful sources of answers out there, Usenet ought to have access. However clogging core newsgroups with trivial noise traffic is undesirable. (In fairness, GEnie seems less prone to this than, say, CompuServe, due perhaps to attendance and the nature of the conference/topic structure vs. flat-thread-rotating CIS Forums.) Third: A straight, personal Email gateway is overdue and should be created a la 'saqqara' by GEnie management. Has nothing to do with the rest of this discussion. All commercial vendors should get on the stick in this dept. Fourth: These clear-the-air contributions from Small and Pleasant are welcome, but the "... so let's stop discussing it" coda is misplaced. Commercial gateway issues need to be discussed, now rather than later, and this is a good excuse. Nobody has the right to squelch a topic. When it stops being interesting, it will die down of its own accord. Fifth: The danger of establishing pussycat precedents with ONE commercial vendor just because they seem like "nice people" is that the NEXT vendor may be scum, but now the precedents are set. Leave us not kid ourselves -- unorthodox and unorganized though it may be, Usenet is a fantastic asset to be able to advertise as 'available' on your commercial service. Can you just imagine the day potatohead Pournelle gets his "Arpanet account" back via McGraw-Hill's weird BIX service? BYTE readers will never hear the end of it, and neither will we. An anarchist would say we should remain as "shifty" and hard to stay connected-to as possible to discourage corporate co-optation; but even a plain pragmatist would say we should husband our virtue. Sixth: Would our jailhouse lawyers please not revive Ye Aulde Copyright Argument. Go test something in court, for crissake. In the meantime if you want a medium susceptible to the diligent defense of authorship rights, pick something besides Usenet. -- War is like love; it always \%\%\% Tom Neff finds a way. -- Bertold Brecht %\%\%\ tneff@bfmny0.UU.NET