Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!snorkelwacker!spdcc!xylogics!world!bzs From: bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) Newsgroups: news.misc Subject: Re: Fcc Regs/Data Comm. Message-ID: <1990Jan2.174527.9041@world.std.com> Date: 2 Jan 90 17:45:27 GMT References: <31A.news.misc@pro-generic> <70194@looking.on.ca> Organization: The World @ Software Tool & Die Lines: 80 In-Reply-To: brad@looking.on.ca's message of 2 Jan 90 03:15:35 GMT Brad et al, I think these analyses are correct in the small, but miss the truth entirely. My guess is that they're (TPC) moving towards making sure that, as promised, ISDN (BRI) is much cheaper than using the voice network. Of course, it didn't occur to most of us that this would be accomplished by skyrocketing the costs of modem use on the voice network rather than offering attractive rates for BRI. Perhaps we'll see a little of both. This happens all the time to manipulate those markets in their favor. For example, in this area they're raising DDS-I tariffs as fast as they can get away with to force customers over to DDS-II (which is pretty reasonably priced, but I guess they can't wait for people to move themselves, they're going to give a push by manipulating tariffs, I doubt their costs for DDS-I have gone up anything like the tariffs they've proposed.) I don't think it has a helluva lot to do with the basic costs of providing a particular service, more to do with manipulating customers into their grand plan. Which may in fact be better for everyone in the long run, it's hard to tell without the plan. Here's a question which may point out my quibble better: Given the several things you list as leading one to the conclusion that modem users deserve this tariff what are the actual costs to their network? Do they gibe at all with the proposed new tariffs? Or maybe the factors you cite account for fractions of a cent per minute? Who knows (well, they do.) You've pointed out that it's *possible* that, in a microeconomic sense, it costs them something more to allow modem traffic, but the real question is; how much? Similarly, in the macro sense, how much additional traffic do these modems generate? The phone system is a volume sales system, a call is not the same as a million calls divided by a million. The entire network's economics is based on massive usage. How do modems factor into that picture of delivering them their needed volume to make their network economical. Put another way, what's the contribution to their economics of a few million modem users? How much does that offset the claimed extra costs of carrying that traffic? I don't know, but it deserves consideration in any real analysis. Another analogy is when directory service suddenly became a cost add-on. Well, no doubt it costs money to have operators etc. and that was the reasoning. But originally it was supposed to be there to encourage us to use our phones and hence generate revenue for them, a fine trade-off. It also was worked into the phone charges (musta been, it was being paid for.) Now suddenly it's an extra-cost item. Wait a minute, doesn't that mean we're now paying for it twice? I know my bill didn't go down when they "unbundled" directory service (that's cause it wasn't unbundled, it was just added on again.) I suppose they'd answer that I should be thankful it didn't go up (huh?) See how an oversimplified analysis (they now charge for directory assistance because obviously it costs money) leads to missing what might be the real point (didn't they always, by definition, include it in my charges? Aren't I paying twice now?) Ok, divestiture made that a little more complicated, but I think I've made the point. Anyhow, my suspicion here is that we're not seeing something as simple as "it costs us more so we're passing on that cost" but rather some social engineering and trying to change people's behavior for some grander purpose. Perhaps it's all well and good and we should get ready to change how we do this sort of stuff, but I don't think we've gotten to the bottom of it yet in this discussion. -- -Barry Shein Software Tool & Die, Purveyors to the Trade | bzs@world.std.com 1330 Beacon St, Brookline, MA 02146, (617) 739-0202 | {xylogics,uunet}world!bzs