Newsgroups: sci.space Path: utzoo!henry From: henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) Subject: Re: Cargo: costs and standards Message-ID: <1989Dec21.044231.5642@utzoo.uucp> Organization: U of Toronto Zoology References: <37951@ames.arc.nasa.gov> <3332@ibmpa.UUCP> <1989Dec19.001442.18701@utzoo.uucp> <3354@ibmpa.UUCP> Date: Thu, 21 Dec 89 04:42:31 GMT In article <3354@ibmpa.UUCP> szabonj@ibmpa.UUCP (Nick Szabo) writes: >Hopefully, we will soon have a set of standards for space cargo... Actually, we already have this in small ways. Commercial Titan payload fairings are the same as Ariane 4 payload fairings (MM buys them from the same outfit -- I think it's Contraves in Switzerland -- that builds them for Ariane). However, the real problem is that there is no standardization *within* a single launcher's payloads, never mind across launchers. Every launch is a custom job at present. If you read the user's manual for a launcher (I've seen the ones for Ariane and Titan), you find not a standard set of services and facilities, but a list of constraints on exactly what custom facilities can be provided. I suspect that this situation is likely to continue as long as launch volumes are low. The ALS people have talked about various schemes for both standardizing interfaces and minimizing them (requiring payloads to be more independent of the launcher), but ALS is most unlikely to ever become real, precisely because there isn't enough volume of business to justify it. >... Also, implementers of new technologies like >EML or laser-launch would be well-advised to scale the machines to >existing payloads. I think we can be fairly sure that that *won't* happen. Many of the non-rocket schemes really want to work with much smaller payloads; the costs scale non-linearly with payload size. For example, existing CO2 laser technology would probably suffice for a laser launcher... if the payload is measured in tens of kilograms, not thousands. Such systems have enormous capacities, but they get them by launching lots of small payloads, not a handful of big ones. What's more, such systems will be justified in terms of launching new kinds of payloads, not existing ones. -- 1972: Saturn V #15 flight-ready| Henry Spencer at U of Toronto Zoology 1989: birds nesting in engines | uunet!attcan!utzoo!henry henry@zoo.toronto.edu