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From: cygnus@vax1.acs.udel.EDU (Marc Cygnus)
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
Subject: NOT alt.{crackers,phreaks,etc} (was: Re: CS curriculae)
Summary: those aren't hacks
Message-ID: <5473@udccvax1.acs.udel.EDU>
Date: 11 Jan 90 20:14:34 GMT
References: <1146@crash.cts.com> <5458@udccvax1.acs.udel.EDU> <BOB.90Jan10105229@volitans.MorningStar.Com> <7384@shlump.nac.dec.com>
Reply-To: cygnus@vax1.acs.udel.edu (Marc Cygnus)
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Approved: of course :-)

In article <7384@shlump.nac.dec.com> burch@quik07.enet.dec.com (Ben Burch) writes:
>In article <1146@crash.cts.com>, guhsd000@crash.cts.com (Paula Ferris) writes:
>>
>> <itemization of various systems broken in to deleted>
>
>WELL!
>
>I think here we have the beginnings of a war over the definition of the term
>hacker!
>
>I think that a "hacker" is one who programs computer systems for the
>love of the task, e.g., a computer artist.
>
>This writer thinks that a hacker is one who commits wire fraud, ...
>
>I am PROUD to be a hacker in the sense I described above.  ...
> <etc. deleted>

this is NOT alt.lets-break-into-systems-and-call-ourselves-hackers (and 
although i am not the originator of this group i believe that i am justified
in offering a blanket statement as such) this is alt.hackers... i don't think
there's any reason for a definition war. i agree wholly with Ben.

come off it, people. breaking into systems is _no big accomplishment_. so
what, you got into pizza hut's computer. order yourself a dozen pepperoni
pizzas with extra cheese and go home. breakins like this are not wonderful
brilliant moves requiring extraordinary intellectual powers. there's no
_point_ in them. anyone with HALF A BRAIN, a terminal, and a modem can
`break in' _somewhere_ (so you take advantage of naive users with lame 
passwords... hooooo BOY big accomplishment there!).

get a CLUE paula. have you never really hacked code for the sheer enjoyment
of it? ...or hardware? (nowhere says hacking exclusively refers to _code_
after all!) ...or _light_? (hey, some of us are into lasers, too!)

					-marcus-

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