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From: warren@samsung.COM (Warren Lavallee)
Newsgroups: alt.hackers
Subject: Re: NOT alt.{crackers,phreaks,etc} (was: Re: CS curriculae)
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Date: 11 Jan 90 22:17:41 GMT
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cygnus@vax1.acs.udel.EDU (Marc Cygnus) writes:
>this is NOT alt.lets-break-into-systems-and-call-ourselves-hackers (and 
>although i am not the originator of this group i believe that i am justified
>in offering a blanket statement as such) this is alt.hackers... i don't think
>there's any reason for a definition war. i agree wholly with Ben.

	I believe back when I was a member of the above category we called
ourselves "crackers" and "phreaks", depending on whether we were computer
or phone oriented.

	Hacking (IMO) is getting the job done, but doing it in a very cryptic
manner that only another hacker could understand.  Doing it in a way so that
it should not work, but it does-- for the wrong reason.

	I got most of my ideas from the "Glossary of Computer Jargon..."
[Which all you people can anon ftp from schizo.samsung.com in ~ftp/pub/text,
if you want...]

-- 
Warren J. Lavallee, Samsung Software America.     
UUCP: ..!uunet!samsung!warren 			Internet: warren@samsung.com
"Punishment becomes ineffective after a certain point-- Men become insensitive."
                                  -- Eneg, "Patterns of Force," stardate 2534.7.