Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!clyde.concordia.ca!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!bionet!ig!arizona!mike From: mike@cs.arizona.edu (Mike Coffin) Newsgroups: comp.ai Subject: Sci. American AI debate Message-ID: <16577@megaron.cs.arizona.edu> Date: 4 Jan 90 18:28:35 GMT References: <85384@linus.UUCP> Organization: U of Arizona CS Dept, Tucson Lines: 31 I finally got around to reading the artificial intelligence "debate" in Scientific American (Jan., 1990). Several points struck me while reading the two articles. First, it looks to me like advocates of strong and weak AI don't really communicate with each other. Searle, in particular, insists that he has *proven* that a mind is more than a program, and he professes puzzlement about why anyone could fail to see the logic of his position. The other side brings up counter arguments one after an other. Both sides are convinced that their arguments are "obviously" right and assume that the other side is, willfully or out of ignorance, missing the whole point. Second, it seems to me that Searle has set a tough task for himself---to "prove" logically his contention. That is tough because he is trying to prove something about "thought", a term that he never defines. Without a definition he will never produce a very convincing proof. The other side is in much better shape because they only have to poke holes in his arguments. Finally, it seems to me that the Churchlands got the better of this exchange. They point out that Searle's "axiom" that syntax cannot give rise to semantics is (a) not at all obvious and (b) begs the question. Searle's only response to this is that it's "true by definition" (what definition?) or "rather obvious" (to whom?). Since the negation of this axiom is essentially a restatement of the strong AI position, it's hardly seems fair to use it as an assumption. -- Mike Coffin mike@arizona.edu Univ. of Ariz. Dept. of Comp. Sci. {allegra,cmcl2}!arizona!mike Tucson, AZ 85721 (602)621-2858