Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!uunet!zephyr.ens.tek.com!tektronix!sequent!mntgfx!msellers From: msellers@mentor.com (Mike Sellers) Newsgroups: comp.ai Subject: The Chinese Room and the Babylonian Bureaucracy Message-ID: <1990Jan9.060511.9121@mentor.com> Date: 9 Jan 90 06:05:11 GMT Organization: engr Lines: 73 The following occurred to me while reading Searle's article in Sci Am. Comments appreciated. Assumption: humans do (at times) understand, think, and consciously apprehend, whatever those words specifically mean; they have enough common-sense content to let them stand on their own for now. The issue at hand then seems to be whether computers in some possible configuration can reproduce this same process or effect, especially within some practical bounds of space and time. (I suppose the reason for asking this question is, first of all, simply that we are continually fascinated by our own magnificance. Secondly, if we can determine the answer to this question, we may be better able to focus our efforts in trying to create other intelligences like ourselves --the hard way, I mean. :-) ) If syntax can yield semantics, then it may be that the person in the Chinese Room will, in fact, gain an understanding of the messages being passed in and out after some manipulation: He will have learned the meaning of the input from the process he goes through to create the output. If this is the case, then the whole argument will have succeeded in showing that a sufficiently complex symbol processor can attain understanding. Or at least that a sufficiently complex symbol processor can appear to have attained understanding, which in reality may be the same (how do I know when my daughter has understood me? How about my dog? Or you?). However, if syntax cannot yield semantics, then it would seem that the person within the Room is destined to simply be a non-conscious symbol pusher forever. In this case, let us suppose that the occupant is further reduced to receiving the simplest of symbols and putting other simple ones out after following some rules laid out in a rather thin rule-book. From time to time the rule-book calls for a null response, and from time to time it calls for the transcriptionist to add a new page to the book containing new instructions constructed from an explanation in the book itself. Usually though, he simply creates a new message based on a manipulation of the old according to the book. In addition, our symbol pusher is not dealing with anything so intricate as Chinese, but is instead getting and producing a limited form of Babylonian cuneiform. Unknown to our Babylonian transcriptionist, there also exist some number of other Babylonian Booths, each receiving and transmitting their own limited messages in a rather undirected fashion. Together these comprise a Bablylonian Bureaucracy where each Booth receives some simple input, processes it a bit, and supplies some output to some other Booth. Each Booth receives symbols from some number of others, and supplies input to still others, though the inhabitant of each need not be aware of this fact. This whole improbable set up may seem to be begging the question of the original Chinese Room symbol manipulation scenario (though set up in the large), but it contains an important difference: Each Booth is blind to the functioning of the others, and knows only about its own activity. Individually they are rather primitive, if flexible, cuneiform processors, and possess none of the attributes we are interested in. However, taken together, we must conclude that (through some process we do not as yet understand (!)) the whole mass of them together will eventually --given the necessary and sufficient environmental input-- take on awareness, understanding, and cognizance. This must be the case, since the only existing example of a thing possessing these qualities aquires and maintains them by just such a system. We each possess some number of relatively simple, though highly communicative processors that, we assume, do not themselves possess any of "our" faculties. The Babylonian Bureaucracy does not begin to explain how such a system can generate consciousness, and yet such generation does apparently occur. It does however extend the possibility that by starting with an appropriate mass of processors --natural OR artificial-- arrayed in some as yet undetermined but highly connected fashion, and supplied with continual and coherent environmental input, we will eventually end up with something that could in fact "be" a dog, a child, or a computer. Again, comments would be appreciated. -- Mike Sellers ...!tektronix!sequent!mntgfx!msellers Mentor Graphics Corp. msellers@mntgfx.MENTOR.COM Electronic Packaging and Analysis Division -- AutoSurface Project "Amor est magis cognitivus quam cognitio"