Path: utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!nic.MR.NET!thor.acc.stolaf.edu!huff From: huff@thor.acc.stolaf.edu (Charles Huff) Newsgroups: comp.groupware Subject: Re: GroupThink Summary: groupthink may not be a bad thing Message-ID: <10450@thor.acc.stolaf.edu> Date: 9 Jan 90 00:07:27 GMT References: <10211@zodiac.ADS.COM> <129710@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> <1990Jan5.220525.9114@siia.mv.com> <90006.101744UH2@PSUVM.BITNET> Reply-To: huff@thor.stolaf.edu () Organization: St. Olaf College, Northfield, MN Lines: 32 Are we sure that we want to encourage systems that completely (or as much as possible) eliminate groupthink? Some of the characteristics of groupthink are: 1) a cohesive group 2) a directive leader 3) gatekeepers who block out unwanted information 4) a press for consensus Of course, if we use phrases like "premature consensus" or "too directive" it become obvious. But we might _want_ a directive leader to exercise influence and _want_ to exclude people who disagree from our discussion. For vindication of these suggestions, see T. Kuhn, I. Lakatos, P. Laudan, P. Feyerabend or most other "new" philosophers of science. These folks argue eloquently that science is (to some extent at least) an enterprise that needs some social influence in it (and not mere logical, empirical, argument). If we keep people from exercising social influence in CSCW (which we may not be able to do anyway) we may produce chaos. Kiesler, Sproull et al. (at CMU) have done studies showing that Email negotiations take much longer to conclude than face-to-face negotiations - and often do not conclude at all but end up with people screaming in all caps at each other and leaving the lab by separate exits. The Information Lens allows for some social influence. You can, for instance always dump mail from Joe Jerk (be a gatekeeper). Perhaps the challenge is to find a way to smoothly wed social influence with CSCW. -Chuck Huff Psychology Department St. Olaf College Northfield MN 55057