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From: czmurek@drunivac.drew.edu
Newsgroups: comp.sys.ibm.pc
Subject: Re: "I hate programming on Macs" (FLAMMABLE)
Message-ID: <29451.25abeb4c@drunivac.drew.edu>
Date: 11 Jan 90 02:11:24 GMT
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In article <10734@encore.Encore.COM>, jdarcy@pinocchio.encore.com (Jeff d'Arcy) writes:
> jca@pnet01.cts.com (John C. Archambeau):
> 
> For those who don't like to hear such criticism and can't read .sigs, I'd
> like to explain where I'm coming from.  My business card says "Engineer",
> not "Manager" or "Sales Representative", and that's what I am.  I'm not a
> student, I'm not a naive user, and I'm not an economist; I'm an ENGINEER.
> As such, I'm not saying these things from some semi-informed external
> perspective.  I'm down in the trenches, hacking all sorts of code, and I
> damn well know how good it feels to pull off some nifty technical stunt.
> HOWEVER, I realize that nifty hacks are not what I'm paid for, nor should
> they be.  I am paid to make systems *usable* and, like any true engineer
> (as opposed to outgrown hobbyists) I believe that the true measure of my
> ability is not how *amazing* my work is, but how *functional* it is.  If
> I want amazement I should work on leading edge projects, not try to apply
> leading edge technology where it may not be appropriate.  After all, who
> needs an FDDI interface to a 100 cps daisy-wheel printer?
> 

Hail to the ENGINEER - talk about a weenie!
For your information Sir, I would appreciate it if you would not make 
such gross steriotypes here!  The MAC stinks when it comes to 
programming!  I have developed under many environments (IBM, MAC, 
NeXT, etc.) and have found the MAC to be the most hostile.  Try 
comparing that garbage to Interface Builder.  I find it rather odd 
that in all the time that your beloved MAC has been around there has 
not been one truly inovative CASE tool developed for it.  Don't blame 
that on us PROGRAMMERS.  Since it is our job to develop the code here 
buddy, I think that we should be able to expect some measure of 
consideration from you ENGINEERS!  If the MAC is so damn good then why 
haven't they moved it to a more coherent programming level rather than 
leave it up to us to make up for your sloppiness?!
	Maybe you don't know this since you are just an ENGINEER 
bucko, but programming is an art - not a factory job.  If your work is 
not *amazing*, then you wasted your time- functionality comes with 
superb work.  You have got it all wrong!  It's time to climb down from 
your high horse - he's standing by sheer virtue of rigormortis alone.
He's Dead son....

-Chris