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From: alex@grian.cps.altadena.ca.us (Alex Pournelle)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac
Subject: Re^2: ATM leaves *HUGE GAP* after italics!
Message-ID: <1990Jan5.083601.7055@grian.cps.altadena.ca.us>
Date: 5 Jan 90 08:36:01 GMT
References: <468@amanue.UUCP> <1990Jan4.100234.28177@grian.cps.altadena.ca.us> <1933@tellab5.TELLABS.COM>
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wiseman@tellab5.TELLABS.COM (Jeff Wiseman) writes:

>In article <1990Jan4.100234.28177@grian.cps.altadena.ca.us> alex@grian.cps.altadena.ca.us (Alex Pournelle) writes:
>>jr@amanue.UUCP (Jim Rosenberg) writes:
>>
>>>I'm using ATM with WriteNow and an ImageWriter II.  You can generally count me
>>>as a very satisfied ATM user.  I find it to be nothing short of amazing.  But
>>>I find the spacing when there's a transition from italics to plain text to be
>>>just huge.  You see it on the screen too.  And yes, I do turn on "Use Printer
>>>Spacing" in WriteNow's Page Setup.
>>
>>I've forever had this problem in PageFaker 2.0x and 3.0x myself--ATM or
>>no.  I always thought it PM's fault.  No?
>>

>This is curious. When you changed your font from an italic to plain style, was
>it before or after the space? In other words, is there such thing as an italic
>space?

>Just wondering. I remember some kind of a problem with MacWriteII (the initial
>release, I think) where "bold spaces" needed to be changed to "plain spaces" in
>order for some of the Bold text spacing to look correct. Could this be a
>similar kind of problem?

Hmmmmm.  I'll check.  I admit I hadn't thought of that--I guess "a space
is a space" to a Poor Little User like me.

Anyone have a beta of PageMaker 4.0 they'd like to try this out on?  Try
printing an italicized word followed by a regular space, and one followed by
a "plain" space.  See if the spacing is less messed up one way or
another.

If it DOES make a difference, should it?  I don't think so, but
doubtless many will disagree.

WANTED: "Show marks" option for PageMaker.  Or am I dreaming that they
would add such a simple thing?


Have they improved the *&%^(*^*^&*^ hypenation algorithm in PM4.0?  This
has to be one very large embarassment for Aldus--the last time an alg-
orithm this bad was in use was the days of the RCA 301, which w-
ould hyphenate "Go-
d".

Really.  (Well, the LA Times has almost as bad an algorithm; is this a
hangover of the bad old III system, or has the Coyote bottled the same
wretched methods?)

	Alex