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From: nrc@cbnews.ATT.COM (neal.r.caldwell..ii)
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Subject: Re: CALL FOR DISCUSSION: rec.music.pfloyd
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Date: 9 Jan 90 07:26:26 GMT
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From article <4700@crdgw1.crd.ge.com>, by oplinger@jupiter.crd.ge.com (B. S. Oplinger):
> 
>>>Fan clubs are the death of honest criticism.
> 
> Thom, I agree with Tim Maroney. I am a fan of Kate Bush. I read
> r.m.g for about three weeks before the 'Kate is wonderful, Kate
> is terrific, Kate can do no wrong' litany became old. There is no
> criticism there. I remember a poster saying that he had purchased
> a single which contained a remixed version of a song and that he
> could not tell any real difference. He was flammed to death by a
> number of the regular posters. The general respose was along the
> lines of 'you ignorant twit, the strings are much lusher, the
> .... is much, much more ....' 

As a regular reader of rec.music.gaffa I'd like to point out a couple of
things.  First of all, yes there is a fair amount of "Kate Bush is God"
sentiment in gaffa and yes, the flamage there has reached truely 
destructive levels on a couple of occaisions.  Most of this has been the
work of a few individuals who shall remain nameless.  I don't think that
anyone one should get flamed for simply stating the obvious - Kate is not
perfect...almost but not quite :-) :-).

Second, the specific example given here was a case of two archrivals
clashing for the hundredth time.  If my memory serves the flaming was
limited to these two.  Others noted that there was indeed a small
difference but their remarks could hardly be called flames.  

More recently a relative newcomer posted a remark to the effect that his 
sister (a music student) wrote music of greater substance than Kate's.   
Rebuttals were forthcoming and firm but I would say that the exchange was 
kept to a civilized level (although the folks with the big flame throwers 
have been notably absent these last couple of weeks).

> Yes, I do believe that at r.m.g should be removed. Overbearing
> attitudes like those found in r.m.g would be quickly squelched by
> members of a general group like r.m and I would be able to find
> an article or two or real interest and content now and again.

What?  Has it occured to you that someone might find your opinion
that r.m.g should be removed overbearing?  Would you like to
have your views squelched?  Are we going to start threatening to 
remove groups that don't meet some peoples's standard of "interest 
and content"?

I've picked up a lot of information from gaffa that interests me.  
For the most part I laugh at the flames when they flair up but if
it bothers me I just skip them completely.  There's nothing wrong
with gaffa that a good kill file can't fix.


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