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From: dlj@cbnewsh.ATT.COM (david.l.jacobowitz)
Newsgroups: sci.military
Subject: Fighters without guns
Keywords: Only the F-4?
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Date: 9 Jan 90 02:20:16 GMT
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From: dlj@cbnewsh.ATT.COM (david.l.jacobowitz)

I am somewhat familiar with the fighter (and pursuit) planes
used by the U.S. since WWII (although not as familiar as others
on the net are, I'm sure).
I understand that the U.S. went through a phase in the '50s and
early '60s where we considered the gun on a fighter to be obselete.
The prevailing thinking was that all air-to-air engagements would
be fought with missiles.

Now, I don't wish to restart the discussion on why this is not true.
But I'm trying to think of the fighters that were actually deployed
without an internal gun, and I can only name one: the F-4 Phantom II.
I do know that most of the F-4's contemporaries did in fact have
internal guns, for example the USAF's F-105 Thunderchief
and the USN's F-8 Crusader.

So I'm wondering what other U.S. fighters have been deployed
without an internal gun.
Does anybody know of any others?
And how about fighters deployed by other countries?
Has the USSR ever deployed a gunless fighter?
I hope that this discussion is of some interest to the newsgroup.
Thanks for the help.
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Dave J.     (ark2!dlj)                              This space intentionally
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